[videolib] non-theatrical film screenings of Netflix exclusives

[Fair, Molly]

Hi all,

I'm organizing the international film series at University of Richmond and we want to show the film Roma by Alfonso Cuarón which is coming out soon. I read an article that said because the film is distributed by Netflix it is getting a very limited theatrical release. I'm not sure what this will mean for non-theatrical screenings. As you are probably familiar- Netflix does allow screenings of some documentaries, but does not seem to have a policy for narrative features. Does anyone have any direct contact info for Netflix reps who handle these questions? I'm not looking for a general phone number- I already tried that with no success. So far I managed to find email contacts for people who handle press inquiries for the film over at Netflix but that's all. Thanks for any info you can provide.

best,

Molly Fair

Film Librarian

University of Richmond

[Jessica Rosner]

Netflix never allows any non theatrical screenings of any of its films.
They have allowed limited screenings at festivals of some films, I have
never in fact heard of them allowing non theatrical screenings of
documentaries except for highly specialized cases like '13" where the
director pressured them.

There has been much discussion of ROMA specifically among indie theaters
and basically Netflix is only allowing shows on very short notice to
theaters and also wanting special equipment.

I would offer you the contact info for the theatrical booker but theaters
have been adamant that they are blowing everyone off.

Here is one fun article that was posted.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/14/movies/netflix-ballad-of-buster-scruggs.html

Post by Fair, Molly
Hi all,
I'm organizing the international film series at University of Richmond and
we want to show the film Roma by Alfonso Cuarón which is coming out soon.
I read an article that said because the film is distributed by Netflix it
is getting a very limited theatrical release. I'm not sure what this will
mean for non-theatrical screenings. As you are probably familiar- Netflix
does allow screenings of some documentaries, but does not seem to have a
policy for narrative features. Does anyone have any direct contact info for
Netflix reps who handle these questions? I'm not looking for a general
phone number- I already tried that with no success. So far I managed to
find email contacts for people who handle press inquiries for the film over
at Netflix but that's all. Thanks for any info you can provide.
best,
Molly Fair
Film Librarian
University of Richmond
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[Sarah E. McCleskey]

ARGGG this makes my blood pressure go up. I tried every way I could think of to get a DVD copy of Strong Island (I mean, it is a LOCAL story and uses lots of local sources). No dice. Standard response about the Netflix screening “license” which is in itself so dang problematic.

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Netflix never allows any non theatrical screenings of any of its films. They have allowed limited screenings at festivals of some films, I have never in fact heard of them allowing non theatrical screenings of documentaries except for highly specialized cases like '13" where the director pressured them.

There has been much discussion of ROMA specifically among indie theaters and basically Netflix is only allowing shows on very short notice to theaters and also wanting special equipment.

I would offer you the contact info for the theatrical booker but theaters have been adamant that they are blowing everyone off.

Here is one fun article that was posted. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/14/movies/netflix-ballad-of-buster-scruggs.html<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2018%2F11%2F14%2Fmovies%2Fnetflix-ballad-of-buster-scruggs.html&data=02%7C01%7Csarah.e.mccleskey%40hofstra.edu%7C25998f694a514cc798e808d655443ebb%7Ce32fc43d7c6246d9b49fcd53ba8d9424%7C0%7C0%7C636790148935671624&sdata=dzM2w8V1RVeH6aqpK2oHgYb5MM5dApHFrLFEb2vw2QU%3D&reserved=0>

On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 10:03 AM Fair, Molly <***@richmond.edu<mailto:***@richmond.edu>> wrote:

Hi all,

I'm organizing the international film series at University of Richmond and we want to show the film Roma by Alfonso Cuarón which is coming out soon. I read an article that said because the film is distributed by Netflix it is getting a very limited theatrical release. I'm not sure what this will mean for non-theatrical screenings. As you are probably familiar- Netflix does allow screenings of some documentaries, but does not seem to have a policy for narrative features. Does anyone have any direct contact info for Netflix reps who handle these questions? I'm not looking for a general phone number- I already tried that with no success. So far I managed to find email contacts for people who handle press inquiries for the film over at Netflix but that's all. Thanks for any info you can provide.

best,

Molly Fair

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University of Richmond
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[Jessica Rosner]

there has been a LOT of discussion/press of Netflix not allowing their
films in THEATERS but virtually none that they and Amazon ( in many cases)
don't allow their films in libraries or to be used in classes, for research
etc, except if every student somehow had a membership. I am frustrated that
this issue has received zero attention both in the press and I think in the
film community. Sadly I can't see either of them allowing physical copies
of their titles but perhaps pressure for SOME streaming access. I am still
very concerned that streaming without either owning the stream or physical
copies is basically turning libraries into academic Netflix with no real
collection or permanent access. Overall I think I am getting too old for
this. Last night I was on a plane watching the woman next to me watch a
film on her phone. Luckily it was MAMA MIA but jeez watching a film a
screen smaller than your hand is really depressing me.


On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM Sarah E. McCleskey <

Post by Sarah E. McCleskey
ARGGG this makes my blood pressure go up. I tried every way I could think
of to get a DVD copy of Strong Island (I mean, it is a LOCAL story and uses
lots of local sources). No dice. Standard response about the Netflix
screening “license” which is in itself so dang problematic.
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 28, 2018 10:15 AM
*Subject:* Re: [videolib] non-theatrical film screenings of Netflix
exclusives
EXTERNAL MESSAGE
Netflix never allows any non theatrical screenings of any of its films.
They have allowed limited screenings at festivals of some films, I have
never in fact heard of them allowing non theatrical screenings of
documentaries except for highly specialized cases like '13" where the
director pressured them.
There has been much discussion of ROMA specifically among indie theaters
and basically Netflix is only allowing shows on very short notice to
theaters and also wanting special equipment.
I would offer you the contact info for the theatrical booker but theaters
have been adamant that they are blowing everyone off.
Here is one fun article that was posted.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/14/movies/netflix-ballad-of-buster-scruggs.html
<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2018%2F11%2F14%2Fmovies%2Fnetflix-ballad-of-buster-scruggs.html&data=02%7C01%7Csarah.e.mccleskey%40hofstra.edu%7C25998f694a514cc798e808d655443ebb%7Ce32fc43d7c6246d9b49fcd53ba8d9424%7C0%7C0%7C636790148935671624&sdata=dzM2w8V1RVeH6aqpK2oHgYb5MM5dApHFrLFEb2vw2QU%3D&reserved=0>
Hi all,
I'm organizing the international film series at University of Richmond and
we want to show the film Roma by Alfonso Cuarón which is coming out soon. I
read an article that said because the film is distributed by Netflix it is
getting a very limited theatrical release. I'm not sure what this will
mean for non-theatrical screenings. As you are probably familiar- Netflix
does allow screenings of some documentaries, but does not seem to have a
policy for narrative features. Does anyone have any direct contact info for
Netflix reps who handle these questions? I'm not looking for a general
phone number- I already tried that with no success. So far I managed to
find email contacts for people who handle press inquiries for the film over
at Netflix but that's all. Thanks for any info you can provide.
best,
Molly Fair
Film Librarian
University of Richmond
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[Nora Poggi]

Hi there, as filmmakers we talk a lot of about this and I would suggest contacting the film director / film team directly to see if they can put pressure on Netflix - explain what you want to do with the film, they usually push on behalf of educators, the same way It happened for 13th. I believe the Audrie & Daisy team also got the right to show in screenings outside of Netflix. Filmmakers usually don’t have a lot of leeway when negotiating those deals, but we are talking about it.
Thanks for sharing your insights!

Nora
www.shestarteditfilm.com

there has been a LOT of discussion/press of Netflix not allowing their films in THEATERS but virtually none that they and Amazon ( in many cases) don't allow their films in libraries or to be used in classes, for research etc, except if every student somehow had a membership. I am frustrated that this issue has received zero attention both in the press and I think in the film community. Sadly I can't see either of them allowing physical copies of their titles but perhaps pressure for SOME streaming access. I am still very concerned that streaming without either owning the stream or physical copies is basically turning libraries into academic Netflix with no real collection or permanent access. Overall I think I am getting too old for this. Last night I was on a plane watching the woman next to me watch a film on her phone. Luckily it was MAMA MIA but jeez watching a film a screen smaller than your hand is really depressing me.

Post by Sarah E. McCleskey
ARGGG this makes my blood pressure go up. I tried every way I could think of to get a DVD copy of Strong Island (I mean, it is a LOCAL story and uses lots of local sources). No dice. Standard response about the Netflix screening “license” which is in itself so dang problematic.
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [videolib] non-theatrical film screenings of Netflix exclusives
EXTERNAL MESSAGE
Netflix never allows any non theatrical screenings of any of its films. They have allowed limited screenings at festivals of some films, I have never in fact heard of them allowing non theatrical screenings of documentaries except for highly specialized cases like '13" where the director pressured them.
There has been much discussion of ROMA specifically among indie theaters and basically Netflix is only allowing shows on very short notice to theaters and also wanting special equipment.
I would offer you the contact info for the theatrical booker but theaters have been adamant that they are blowing everyone off.
Here is one fun article that was posted. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/14/movies/netflix-ballad-of-buster-scruggs.html
Hi all,
I'm organizing the international film series at University of Richmond and we want to show the film Roma by Alfonso Cuarón which is coming out soon. I read an article that said because the film is distributed by Netflix it is getting a very limited theatrical release. I'm not sure what this will mean for non-theatrical screenings. As you are probably familiar- Netflix does allow screenings of some documentaries, but does not seem to have a policy for narrative features. Does anyone have any direct contact info for Netflix reps who handle these questions? I'm not looking for a general phone number- I already tried that with no success. So far I managed to find email contacts for people who handle press inquiries for the film over at Netflix but that's all. Thanks for any info you can provide.
best,
Molly Fair
Film Librarian
University of Richmond
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[Jenemann, Laura]

Hi Nora,

Thank you for sharing your experience as a filmmaker.

Is there a forum where filmmakers are sharing this discussion, especially one where libraries and similar organizations can track or participate in?

Regards,
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From: Nora Poggi <***@gmail.com>
Reply-To: "***@lists.berkeley.edu" <***@lists.berkeley.edu>
Date: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 10:50 AM
To: "***@lists.berkeley.edu" <***@lists.berkeley.edu>
Subject: Re: [videolib] non-theatrical film screenings of Netflix exclusives

Hi there, as filmmakers we talk a lot of about this and I would suggest contacting the film director / film team directly to see if they can put pressure on Netflix - explain what you want to do with the film, they usually push on behalf of educators, the same way It happened for 13th. I believe the Audrie & Daisy team also got the right to show in screenings outside of Netflix. Filmmakers usually don’t have a lot of leeway when negotiating those deals, but we are talking about it.
Thanks for sharing your insights!

Nora
www.shestarteditfilm.com<http://www.shestarteditfilm.com>



On Nov 28, 2018, at 10:39 AM, Jessica Rosner <***@gmail.com<mailto:***@gmail.com>> wrote:
there has been a LOT of discussion/press of Netflix not allowing their films in THEATERS but virtually none that they and Amazon ( in many cases) don't allow their films in libraries or to be used in classes, for research etc, except if every student somehow had a membership. I am frustrated that this issue has received zero attention both in the press and I think in the film community. Sadly I can't see either of them allowing physical copies of their titles but perhaps pressure for SOME streaming access. I am still very concerned that streaming without either owning the stream or physical copies is basically turning libraries into academic Netflix with no real collection or permanent access. Overall I think I am getting too old for this. Last night I was on a plane watching the woman next to me watch a film on her phone. Luckily it was MAMA MIA but jeez watching a film a screen smaller than your hand is really depressing me.


On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM Sarah E. McCleskey <***@hofstra.edu<mailto:***@hofstra.edu>> wrote:
ARGGG this makes my blood pressure go up. I tried every way I could think of to get a DVD copy of Strong Island (I mean, it is a LOCAL story and uses lots of local sources). No dice. Standard response about the Netflix screening “license” which is in itself so dang problematic.

From: Jessica Rosner <***@gmail.com<mailto:***@gmail.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 10:15 AM
To: ***@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:***@lists.berkeley.edu>
Subject: Re: [videolib] non-theatrical film screenings of Netflix exclusives

EXTERNAL MESSAGE
Netflix never allows any non theatrical screenings of any of its films. They have allowed limited screenings at festivals of some films, I have never in fact heard of them allowing non theatrical screenings of documentaries except for highly specialized cases like '13" where the director pressured them.

There has been much discussion of ROMA specifically among indie theaters and basically Netflix is only allowing shows on very short notice to theaters and also wanting special equipment.

I would offer you the contact info for the theatrical booker but theaters have been adamant that they are blowing everyone off.

Here is one fun article that was posted. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/14/movies/netflix-ballad-of-buster-scruggs.html<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2018%2F11%2F14%2Fmovies%2Fnetflix-ballad-of-buster-scruggs.html&data=02%7C01%7Csarah.e.mccleskey%40hofstra.edu%7C25998f694a514cc798e808d655443ebb%7Ce32fc43d7c6246d9b49fcd53ba8d9424%7C0%7C0%7C636790148935671624&sdata=dzM2w8V1RVeH6aqpK2oHgYb5MM5dApHFrLFEb2vw2QU%3D&reserved=0>

On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 10:03 AM Fair, Molly <***@richmond.edu<mailto:***@richmond.edu>> wrote:

Hi all,

I'm organizing the international film series at University of Richmond and we want to show the film Roma by Alfonso Cuarón which is coming out soon. I read an article that said because the film is distributed by Netflix it is getting a very limited theatrical release. I'm not sure what this will mean for non-theatrical screenings. As you are probably familiar- Netflix does allow screenings of some documentaries, but does not seem to have a policy for narrative features. Does anyone have any direct contact info for Netflix reps who handle these questions? I'm not looking for a general phone number- I already tried that with no success. So far I managed to find email contacts for people who handle press inquiries for the film over at Netflix but that's all. Thanks for any info you can provide.

best,

Molly Fair

Film Librarian

University of Richmond
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[Nora Poggi]

Most of the discussions happen at film festivals and conferences like “Getting real”- are librarians able to send a contingent there? I’ll look into it, I don’t know that a dedicated forum exists but that would be a great idea. Check out “The D word” lots of discussion there with filmmakers.
I agree that this is a crucial topic!

Nora

Post by Jenemann, Laura
Hi Nora,
Thank you for sharing your experience as a filmmaker.
Is there a forum where filmmakers are sharing this discussion, especially one where libraries and similar organizations can track or participate in?
Regards,
Laura
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Date: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [videolib] non-theatrical film screenings of Netflix exclusives
Hi there, as filmmakers we talk a lot of about this and I would suggest contacting the film director / film team directly to see if they can put pressure on Netflix - explain what you want to do with the film, they usually push on behalf of educators, the same way It happened for 13th. I believe the Audrie & Daisy team also got the right to show in screenings outside of Netflix. Filmmakers usually don’t have a lot of leeway when negotiating those deals, but we are talking about it.
Thanks for sharing your insights!
Nora
www.shestarteditfilm.com
there has been a LOT of discussion/press of Netflix not allowing their films in THEATERS but virtually none that they and Amazon ( in many cases) don't allow their films in libraries or to be used in classes, for research etc, except if every student somehow had a membership. I am frustrated that this issue has received zero attention both in the press and I think in the film community. Sadly I can't see either of them allowing physical copies of their titles but perhaps pressure for SOME streaming access. I am still very concerned that streaming without either owning the stream or physical copies is basically turning libraries into academic Netflix with no real collection or permanent access. Overall I think I am getting too old for this. Last night I was on a plane watching the woman next to me watch a film on her phone. Luckily it was MAMA MIA but jeez watching a film a screen smaller than your hand is really depressing me.
ARGGG this makes my blood pressure go up. I tried every way I could think of to get a DVD copy of Strong Island (I mean, it is a LOCAL story and uses lots of local sources). No dice. Standard response about the Netflix screening “license” which is in itself so dang problematic.
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 10:15 AM
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Netflix never allows any non theatrical screenings of any of its films. They have allowed limited screenings at festivals of some films, I have never in fact heard of them allowing non theatrical screenings of documentaries except for highly specialized cases like '13" where the director pressured them.
There has been much discussion of ROMA specifically among indie theaters and basically Netflix is only allowing shows on very short notice to theaters and also wanting special equipment.
I would offer you the contact info for the theatrical booker but theaters have been adamant that they are blowing everyone off.
Here is one fun article that was posted. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/14/movies/netflix-ballad-of-buster-scruggs.html
Hi all,
I'm organizing the international film series at University of Richmond and we want to show the film Roma by Alfonso Cuarón which is coming out soon. I read an article that said because the film is distributed by Netflix it is getting a very limited theatrical release. I'm not sure what this will mean for non-theatrical screenings. As you are probably familiar- Netflix does allow screenings of some documentaries, but does not seem to have a policy for narrative features. Does anyone have any direct contact info for Netflix reps who handle these questions? I'm not looking for a general phone number- I already tried that with no success. So far I managed to find email contacts for people who handle press inquiries for the film over at Netflix but that's all. Thanks for any info you can provide.
best,
Molly Fair
Film Librarian
University of Richmond
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[Barbara Quarton]

Hi Nora,
Thanks for sharing The D Word—this looks like an awesome resource!
Best,
Barbara

From: Nora Poggi [mailto:***@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 7:59 AM
To: ***@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [videolib] non-theatrical film screenings of Netflix exclusives

Most of the discussions happen at film festivals and conferences like “Getting real”- are librarians able to send a contingent there? I’ll look into it, I don’t know that a dedicated forum exists but that would be a great idea. Check out “The D word” lots of discussion there with filmmakers.
I agree that this is a crucial topic!
Nora

On Nov 28, 2018, at 10:54 AM, Jenemann, Laura <***@bu.edu<mailto:***@bu.edu>> wrote:
Hi Nora,

Thank you for sharing your experience as a filmmaker.

Is there a forum where filmmakers are sharing this discussion, especially one where libraries and similar organizations can track or participate in?

Regards,
Laura

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617-353-9240
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From: Nora Poggi <***@gmail.com<mailto:***@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "***@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:***@lists.berkeley.edu>" <***@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:***@lists.berkeley.edu>>
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Subject: Re: [videolib] non-theatrical film screenings of Netflix exclusives

Hi there, as filmmakers we talk a lot of about this and I would suggest contacting the film director / film team directly to see if they can put pressure on Netflix - explain what you want to do with the film, they usually push on behalf of educators, the same way It happened for 13th. I believe the Audrie & Daisy team also got the right to show in screenings outside of Netflix. Filmmakers usually don’t have a lot of leeway when negotiating those deals, but we are talking about it.
Thanks for sharing your insights!

Nora
www.shestarteditfilm.com<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.shestarteditfilm.com&d=DwMFaQ&c=B_W-eXUX249zycySS1AyzjABMeYirU1wvo9-GmMObjY&r=EXqQ0BdbCVtEgpEvhAXgs4XoA-lhlu2y7j5eRmoMRWk&m=73BUS7SIZtXlCBJMhUhACfnmo7NZjI228PmvMQyXm3s&s=coN2OtAb70T5enf9FgslY0Vy5pfAYzgr4QvPk0ceosI&e=>



On Nov 28, 2018, at 10:39 AM, Jessica Rosner <***@gmail.com<mailto:***@gmail.com>> wrote:
there has been a LOT of discussion/press of Netflix not allowing their films in THEATERS but virtually none that they and Amazon ( in many cases) don't allow their films in libraries or to be used in classes, for research etc, except if every student somehow had a membership. I am frustrated that this issue has received zero attention both in the press and I think in the film community. Sadly I can't see either of them allowing physical copies of their titles but perhaps pressure for SOME streaming access. I am still very concerned that streaming without either owning the stream or physical copies is basically turning libraries into academic Netflix with no real collection or permanent access. Overall I think I am getting too old for this. Last night I was on a plane watching the woman next to me watch a film on her phone. Luckily it was MAMA MIA but jeez watching a film a screen smaller than your hand is really depressing me.


On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM Sarah E. McCleskey <***@hofstra.edu<mailto:***@hofstra.edu>> wrote:
ARGGG this makes my blood pressure go up. I tried every way I could think of to get a DVD copy of Strong Island (I mean, it is a LOCAL story and uses lots of local sources). No dice. Standard response about the Netflix screening “license” which is in itself so dang problematic.

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Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 10:15 AM
To: ***@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:***@lists.berkeley.edu>
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Netflix never allows any non theatrical screenings of any of its films. They have allowed limited screenings at festivals of some films, I have never in fact heard of them allowing non theatrical screenings of documentaries except for highly specialized cases like '13" where the director pressured them.

There has been much discussion of ROMA specifically among indie theaters and basically Netflix is only allowing shows on very short notice to theaters and also wanting special equipment.

I would offer you the contact info for the theatrical booker but theaters have been adamant that they are blowing everyone off.

Here is one fun article that was posted. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/14/movies/netflix-ballad-of-buster-scruggs.html<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fwww.nytimes.com-252F2018-252F11-252F14-252Fmovies-252Fnetflix-2Dballad-2Dof-2Dbuster-2Dscruggs.html-26data-3D02-257C01-257Csarah.e.mccleskey-2540hofstra.edu-257C25998f694a514cc798e808d655443ebb-257Ce32fc43d7c6246d9b49fcd53ba8d9424-257C0-257C0-257C636790148935671624-26sdata-3DdzM2w8V1RVeH6aqpK2oHgYb5MM5dApHFrLFEb2vw2QU-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMFaQ&c=B_W-eXUX249zycySS1AyzjABMeYirU1wvo9-GmMObjY&r=EXqQ0BdbCVtEgpEvhAXgs4XoA-lhlu2y7j5eRmoMRWk&m=73BUS7SIZtXlCBJMhUhACfnmo7NZjI228PmvMQyXm3s&s=rW-a-bkdH4DRGzuORava9-Goa3W2QTYSA0OwOVdxdx4&e=>

On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 10:03 AM Fair, Molly <***@richmond.edu<mailto:***@richmond.edu>> wrote:

Hi all,

I'm organizing the international film series at University of Richmond and we want to show the film Roma by Alfonso Cuarón which is coming out soon. I read an article that said because the film is distributed by Netflix it is getting a very limited theatrical release. I'm not sure what this will mean for non-theatrical screenings. As you are probably familiar- Netflix does allow screenings of some documentaries, but does not seem to have a policy for narrative features. Does anyone have any direct contact info for Netflix reps who handle these questions? I'm not looking for a general phone number- I already tried that with no success. So far I managed to find email contacts for people who handle press inquiries for the film over at Netflix but that's all. Thanks for any info you can provide.

best,

Molly Fair

Film Librarian

University of Richmond
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[Jenemann, Laura]

Hi Nora,

This is really useful information to share. I had pitched a similar idea to AFIDocs last year.

I’ll try to follow-up with you directly.

Regards,
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Subject: Re: [videolib] non-theatrical film screenings of Netflix exclusives

Most of the discussions happen at film festivals and conferences like “Getting real”- are librarians able to send a contingent there? I’ll look into it, I don’t know that a dedicated forum exists but that would be a great idea. Check out “The D word” lots of discussion there with filmmakers.
I agree that this is a crucial topic!
Nora

On Nov 28, 2018, at 10:54 AM, Jenemann, Laura <***@bu.edu<mailto:***@bu.edu>> wrote:
Hi Nora,

Thank you for sharing your experience as a filmmaker.

Is there a forum where filmmakers are sharing this discussion, especially one where libraries and similar organizations can track or participate in?

Regards,
Laura

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Hi there, as filmmakers we talk a lot of about this and I would suggest contacting the film director / film team directly to see if they can put pressure on Netflix - explain what you want to do with the film, they usually push on behalf of educators, the same way It happened for 13th. I believe the Audrie & Daisy team also got the right to show in screenings outside of Netflix. Filmmakers usually don’t have a lot of leeway when negotiating those deals, but we are talking about it.
Thanks for sharing your insights!

Nora
www.shestarteditfilm.com<http://www.shestarteditfilm.com>



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there has been a LOT of discussion/press of Netflix not allowing their films in THEATERS but virtually none that they and Amazon ( in many cases) don't allow their films in libraries or to be used in classes, for research etc, except if every student somehow had a membership. I am frustrated that this issue has received zero attention both in the press and I think in the film community. Sadly I can't see either of them allowing physical copies of their titles but perhaps pressure for SOME streaming access. I am still very concerned that streaming without either owning the stream or physical copies is basically turning libraries into academic Netflix with no real collection or permanent access. Overall I think I am getting too old for this. Last night I was on a plane watching the woman next to me watch a film on her phone. Luckily it was MAMA MIA but jeez watching a film a screen smaller than your hand is really depressing me.


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ARGGG this makes my blood pressure go up. I tried every way I could think of to get a DVD copy of Strong Island (I mean, it is a LOCAL story and uses lots of local sources). No dice. Standard response about the Netflix screening “license” which is in itself so dang problematic.

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Netflix never allows any non theatrical screenings of any of its films. They have allowed limited screenings at festivals of some films, I have never in fact heard of them allowing non theatrical screenings of documentaries except for highly specialized cases like '13" where the director pressured them.

There has been much discussion of ROMA specifically among indie theaters and basically Netflix is only allowing shows on very short notice to theaters and also wanting special equipment.

I would offer you the contact info for the theatrical booker but theaters have been adamant that they are blowing everyone off.

Here is one fun article that was posted. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/14/movies/netflix-ballad-of-buster-scruggs.html<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2018%2F11%2F14%2Fmovies%2Fnetflix-ballad-of-buster-scruggs.html&data=02%7C01%7Csarah.e.mccleskey%40hofstra.edu%7C25998f694a514cc798e808d655443ebb%7Ce32fc43d7c6246d9b49fcd53ba8d9424%7C0%7C0%7C636790148935671624&sdata=dzM2w8V1RVeH6aqpK2oHgYb5MM5dApHFrLFEb2vw2QU%3D&reserved=0>

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Hi all,

I'm organizing the international film series at University of Richmond and we want to show the film Roma by Alfonso Cuarón which is coming out soon. I read an article that said because the film is distributed by Netflix it is getting a very limited theatrical release. I'm not sure what this will mean for non-theatrical screenings. As you are probably familiar- Netflix does allow screenings of some documentaries, but does not seem to have a policy for narrative features. Does anyone have any direct contact info for Netflix reps who handle these questions? I'm not looking for a general phone number- I already tried that with no success. So far I managed to find email contacts for people who handle press inquiries for the film over at Netflix but that's all. Thanks for any info you can provide.

best,

Molly Fair

Film Librarian

University of Richmond
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[Nora Poggi]

Happy to keep talking about this. Yes i think pitching your discussions at film festivals for panels is the best way to get through the industry.

Post by Jenemann, Laura
Hi Nora,
This is really useful information to share. I had pitched a similar idea to AFIDocs last year.
I’ll try to follow-up with you directly.
Regards,
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Date: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: [videolib] non-theatrical film screenings of Netflix exclusives
Most of the discussions happen at film festivals and conferences like “Getting real”- are librarians able to send a contingent there? I’ll look into it, I don’t know that a dedicated forum exists but that would be a great idea. Check out “The D word” lots of discussion there with filmmakers.
I agree that this is a crucial topic!
Nora
Hi Nora,
Thank you for sharing your experience as a filmmaker.
Is there a forum where filmmakers are sharing this discussion, especially one where libraries and similar organizations can track or participate in?
Regards,
Laura
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Date: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [videolib] non-theatrical film screenings of Netflix exclusives
Hi there, as filmmakers we talk a lot of about this and I would suggest contacting the film director / film team directly to see if they can put pressure on Netflix - explain what you want to do with the film, they usually push on behalf of educators, the same way It happened for 13th. I believe the Audrie & Daisy team also got the right to show in screenings outside of Netflix. Filmmakers usually don’t have a lot of leeway when negotiating those deals, but we are talking about it.
Thanks for sharing your insights!
Nora
www.shestarteditfilm.com
there has been a LOT of discussion/press of Netflix not allowing their films in THEATERS but virtually none that they and Amazon ( in many cases) don't allow their films in libraries or to be used in classes, for research etc, except if every student somehow had a membership. I am frustrated that this issue has received zero attention both in the press and I think in the film community. Sadly I can't see either of them allowing physical copies of their titles but perhaps pressure for SOME streaming access. I am still very concerned that streaming without either owning the stream or physical copies is basically turning libraries into academic Netflix with no real collection or permanent access. Overall I think I am getting too old for this. Last night I was on a plane watching the woman next to me watch a film on her phone. Luckily it was MAMA MIA but jeez watching a film a screen smaller than your hand is really depressing me.
ARGGG this makes my blood pressure go up. I tried every way I could think of to get a DVD copy of Strong Island (I mean, it is a LOCAL story and uses lots of local sources). No dice. Standard response about the Netflix screening “license” which is in itself so dang problematic.
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 10:15 AM
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Netflix never allows any non theatrical screenings of any of its films. They have allowed limited screenings at festivals of some films, I have never in fact heard of them allowing non theatrical screenings of documentaries except for highly specialized cases like '13" where the director pressured them.
There has been much discussion of ROMA specifically among indie theaters and basically Netflix is only allowing shows on very short notice to theaters and also wanting special equipment.
I would offer you the contact info for the theatrical booker but theaters have been adamant that they are blowing everyone off.
Here is one fun article that was posted. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/14/movies/netflix-ballad-of-buster-scruggs.html
Hi all,
I'm organizing the international film series at University of Richmond and we want to show the film Roma by Alfonso Cuarón which is coming out soon. I read an article that said because the film is distributed by Netflix it is getting a very limited theatrical release. I'm not sure what this will mean for non-theatrical screenings. As you are probably familiar- Netflix does allow screenings of some documentaries, but does not seem to have a policy for narrative features. Does anyone have any direct contact info for Netflix reps who handle these questions? I'm not looking for a general phone number- I already tried that with no success. So far I managed to find email contacts for people who handle press inquiries for the film over at Netflix but that's all. Thanks for any info you can provide.
best,
Molly Fair
Film Librarian
University of Richmond
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[Work]

This is slightly off topic, but I think related.

I know that the concern about “streaming only” has been discussed before, but I am seeing more films, particularly foreign films, that are picked up by Amazon for distribution and are made available only as streaming versions (the latest example I am aware of is Claire Denis’s film “Let the Sunshine In”, supposedly released in April), where the only DVD version available is a PAL import from the UK or EU.

I don’t like where this is going ...

Mark Kaiser
Berkeley Language Center

Post by Nora Poggi
Happy to keep talking about this. Yes i think pitching your discussions at film festivals for panels is the best way to get through the industry.

Post by Jenemann, Laura
Hi Nora,
This is really useful information to share. I had pitched a similar idea to AFIDocs last year.
I’ll try to follow-up with you directly.
Regards,
Laura
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617-353-9240
Date: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: [videolib] non-theatrical film screenings of Netflix exclusives
Most of the discussions happen at film festivals and conferences like “Getting real”- are librarians able to send a contingent there? I’ll look into it, I don’t know that a dedicated forum exists but that would be a great idea. Check out “The D word” lots of discussion there with filmmakers.
I agree that this is a crucial topic!
Nora
Hi Nora,
Thank you for sharing your experience as a filmmaker.
Is there a forum where filmmakers are sharing this discussion, especially one where libraries and similar organizations can track or participate in?
Regards,
Laura
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Communication, Media, & Film Librarian
Boston University
617-353-9240
Date: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [videolib] non-theatrical film screenings of Netflix exclusives
Hi there, as filmmakers we talk a lot of about this and I would suggest contacting the film director / film team directly to see if they can put pressure on Netflix - explain what you want to do with the film, they usually push on behalf of educators, the same way It happened for 13th. I believe the Audrie & Daisy team also got the right to show in screenings outside of Netflix. Filmmakers usually don’t have a lot of leeway when negotiating those deals, but we are talking about it.
Thanks for sharing your insights!
Nora
www.shestarteditfilm.com
there has been a LOT of discussion/press of Netflix not allowing their films in THEATERS but virtually none that they and Amazon ( in many cases) don't allow their films in libraries or to be used in classes, for research etc, except if every student somehow had a membership. I am frustrated that this issue has received zero attention both in the press and I think in the film community. Sadly I can't see either of them allowing physical copies of their titles but perhaps pressure for SOME streaming access. I am still very concerned that streaming without either owning the stream or physical copies is basically turning libraries into academic Netflix with no real collection or permanent access. Overall I think I am getting too old for this. Last night I was on a plane watching the woman next to me watch a film on her phone. Luckily it was MAMA MIA but jeez watching a film a screen smaller than your hand is really depressing me.
ARGGG this makes my blood pressure go up. I tried every way I could think of to get a DVD copy of Strong Island (I mean, it is a LOCAL story and uses lots of local sources). No dice. Standard response about the Netflix screening “license” which is in itself so dang problematic.
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 10:15 AM
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Netflix never allows any non theatrical screenings of any of its films. They have allowed limited screenings at festivals of some films, I have never in fact heard of them allowing non theatrical screenings of documentaries except for highly specialized cases like '13" where the director pressured them.
There has been much discussion of ROMA specifically among indie theaters and basically Netflix is only allowing shows on very short notice to theaters and also wanting special equipment.
I would offer you the contact info for the theatrical booker but theaters have been adamant that they are blowing everyone off.
Here is one fun article that was posted. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/14/movies/netflix-ballad-of-buster-scruggs.html
Hi all,
I'm organizing the international film series at University of Richmond and we want to show the film Roma by Alfonso Cuarón which is coming out soon. I read an article that said because the film is distributed by Netflix it is getting a very limited theatrical release. I'm not sure what this will mean for non-theatrical screenings. As you are probably familiar- Netflix does allow screenings of some documentaries, but does not seem to have a policy for narrative features. Does anyone have any direct contact info for Netflix reps who handle these questions? I'm not looking for a general phone number- I already tried that with no success. So far I managed to find email contacts for people who handle press inquiries for the film over at Netflix but that's all. Thanks for any info you can provide.
best,
Molly Fair
Film Librarian
University of Richmond
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[Susan Conlon]

Hi Nora and all,

This is a really important topic.

I've organized many public screenings over the years,with a focus on
documentaries. I've been frustrated for a while now about these kinds of
restrictions and it seems to be getting worse.

It's interesting - if we show something that's been on Netflix or broadcast
- we still get a strong turnout. The main reason, at least I like to think,
is that people want to come together to have a shared experience and we can
offer the value added factor of having the filmmakers or other speakers who
are well-versed on the subject.

While it is not impossible to get permission to screen a new(er) film that
is under contract by Netflix it has been because the filmmakers negotiated
with them.

I think my main frustration is that I think everyone involved - the
filmmakers, the distributors, theaters, libraries - have a common objective
of getting more people to see their films.

I'll be reading this thread for thoughts on this topic...

Susan

Post by Nora Poggi
Most of the discussions happen at film festivals and conferences like
“Getting real”- are librarians able to send a contingent there? I’ll look
into it, I don’t know that a dedicated forum exists but that would be a
great idea. Check out “The D word” lots of discussion there with filmmakers.
I agree that this is a crucial topic!
Nora
Hi Nora,
Thank you for sharing your experience as a filmmaker.
Is there a forum where filmmakers are sharing this discussion, especially
one where libraries and similar organizations can track or participate in?
Regards,
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*Date: *Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 10:50 AM
*Subject: *Re: [videolib] non-theatrical film screenings of Netflix
exclusives
Hi there, as filmmakers we talk a lot of about this and I would suggest
contacting the film director / film team directly to see if they can put
pressure on Netflix - explain what you want to do with the film, they
usually push on behalf of educators, the same way It happened for 13th. I
believe the Audrie & Daisy team also got the right to show in screenings
outside of Netflix. Filmmakers usually don’t have a lot of leeway when
negotiating those deals, but we are talking about it.
Thanks for sharing your insights!
Nora
www.shestarteditfilm.com
there has been a LOT of discussion/press of Netflix not allowing their
films in THEATERS but virtually none that they and Amazon ( in many cases)
don't allow their films in libraries or to be used in classes, for research
etc, except if every student somehow had a membership. I am frustrated that
this issue has received zero attention both in the press and I think in the
film community. Sadly I can't see either of them allowing physical copies
of their titles but perhaps pressure for SOME streaming access. I am still
very concerned that streaming without either owning the stream or physical
copies is basically turning libraries into academic Netflix with no real
collection or permanent access. Overall I think I am getting too old for
this. Last night I was on a plane watching the woman next to me watch a
film on her phone. Luckily it was MAMA MIA but jeez watching a film a
screen smaller than your hand is really depressing me.
On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM Sarah E. McCleskey <
ARGGG this makes my blood pressure go up. I tried every way I could think
of to get a DVD copy of Strong Island (I mean, it is a LOCAL story and uses
lots of local sources). No dice. Standard response about the Netflix
screening “license” which is in itself so dang problematic.
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 28, 2018 10:15 AM
*Subject:* Re: [videolib] non-theatrical film screenings of Netflix
exclusives
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Netflix never allows any non theatrical screenings of any of its films.
They have allowed limited screenings at festivals of some films, I have
never in fact heard of them allowing non theatrical screenings of
documentaries except for highly specialized cases like '13" where the
director pressured them.
There has been much discussion of ROMA specifically among indie theaters
and basically Netflix is only allowing shows on very short notice to
theaters and also wanting special equipment.
I would offer you the contact info for the theatrical booker but theaters
have been adamant that they are blowing everyone off.
Here is one fun article that was posted.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/14/movies/netflix-ballad-of-buster-scruggs.html
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Hi all,
I'm organizing the international film series at University of Richmond and
we want to show the film Roma by Alfonso Cuarón which is coming out soon. I
read an article that said because the film is distributed by Netflix it is
getting a very limited theatrical release. I'm not sure what this will
mean for non-theatrical screenings. As you are probably familiar- Netflix
does allow screenings of some documentaries, but does not seem to have a
policy for narrative features. Does anyone have any direct contact info for
Netflix reps who handle these questions? I'm not looking for a general
phone number- I already tried that with no success. So far I managed to
find email contacts for people who handle press inquiries for the film over
at Netflix but that's all. Thanks for any info you can provide.
best,
Molly Fair
Film Librarian
University of Richmond
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[Susan Albrecht]

I couldn’t agree more with the rest of you re: the importance of this issue. I know as a member of the National Media Market board for a few years now, we have talked and talked about how we can facilitate conversation and communication with the Netflix PTB. It’s just so stinking hard to get anyone there or at Amazon, etc., to listen and to recognize the importance of (and potential value to them of) working with the academic and library market. I appreciate Nora’s input that reaching out to filmmakers directly, to ask them to help apply pressure, can be effective.

Do remember, though, that there *is* a list at Netflix that allows you to determine items in their catalog which are FREE to use for educational screenings. Go here: https://media.netflix.com/en/only-on-netflix#/new?page=1
It’s clunky and not easy to use, but I’d suggest going to “All Alphabetical” and then using 13th as an example. When you click on it, it brings up a full description of the film and the verbiage “Grant of Permission for Educational Screenings” with an explanation. I don’t think there’s a way to sort just for that, so you have to do some hunting, but it’s better than no list at all!

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From: Susan Conlon [mailto:***@princetonlibrary.org]
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 11:10 AM
To: ***@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [videolib] non-theatrical film screenings of Netflix exclusives

Hi Nora and all,

This is a really important topic.

I've organized many public screenings over the years,with a focus on documentaries. I've been frustrated for a while now about these kinds of restrictions and it seems to be getting worse.

It's interesting - if we show something that's been on Netflix or broadcast - we still get a strong turnout. The main reason, at least I like to think, is that people want to come together to have a shared experience and we can offer the value added factor of having the filmmakers or other speakers who are well-versed on the subject.

While it is not impossible to get permission to screen a new(er) film that is under contract by Netflix it has been because the filmmakers negotiated with them.

I think my main frustration is that I think everyone involved - the filmmakers, the distributors, theaters, libraries - have a common objective of getting more people to see their films.

I'll be reading this thread for thoughts on this topic...

Susan

On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 10:58 AM Nora Poggi <***@gmail.com<mailto:***@gmail.com>> wrote:
Most of the discussions happen at film festivals and conferences like “Getting real”- are librarians able to send a contingent there? I’ll look into it, I don’t know that a dedicated forum exists but that would be a great idea. Check out “The D word” lots of discussion there with filmmakers.
I agree that this is a crucial topic!
Nora

On Nov 28, 2018, at 10:54 AM, Jenemann, Laura <***@bu.edu<mailto:***@bu.edu>> wrote:
Hi Nora,

Thank you for sharing your experience as a filmmaker.

Is there a forum where filmmakers are sharing this discussion, especially one where libraries and similar organizations can track or participate in?

Regards,
Laura

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617-353-9240
***@bu.edu<mailto:***@bu.edu>

From: Nora Poggi <***@gmail.com<mailto:***@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "***@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:***@lists.berkeley.edu>" <***@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:***@lists.berkeley.edu>>
Date: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 10:50 AM
To: "***@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:***@lists.berkeley.edu>" <***@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:***@lists.berkeley.edu>>
Subject: Re: [videolib] non-theatrical film screenings of Netflix exclusives

Hi there, as filmmakers we talk a lot of about this and I would suggest contacting the film director / film team directly to see if they can put pressure on Netflix - explain what you want to do with the film, they usually push on behalf of educators, the same way It happened for 13th. I believe the Audrie & Daisy team also got the right to show in screenings outside of Netflix. Filmmakers usually don’t have a lot of leeway when negotiating those deals, but we are talking about it.
Thanks for sharing your insights!

Nora
www.shestarteditfilm.com<http://www.shestarteditfilm.com>



On Nov 28, 2018, at 10:39 AM, Jessica Rosner <***@gmail.com<mailto:***@gmail.com>> wrote:
there has been a LOT of discussion/press of Netflix not allowing their films in THEATERS but virtually none that they and Amazon ( in many cases) don't allow their films in libraries or to be used in classes, for research etc, except if every student somehow had a membership. I am frustrated that this issue has received zero attention both in the press and I think in the film community. Sadly I can't see either of them allowing physical copies of their titles but perhaps pressure for SOME streaming access. I am still very concerned that streaming without either owning the stream or physical copies is basically turning libraries into academic Netflix with no real collection or permanent access. Overall I think I am getting too old for this. Last night I was on a plane watching the woman next to me watch a film on her phone. Luckily it was MAMA MIA but jeez watching a film a screen smaller than your hand is really depressing me.


On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM Sarah E. McCleskey <***@hofstra.edu<mailto:***@hofstra.edu>> wrote:
ARGGG this makes my blood pressure go up. I tried every way I could think of to get a DVD copy of Strong Island (I mean, it is a LOCAL story and uses lots of local sources). No dice. Standard response about the Netflix screening “license” which is in itself so dang problematic.

From: Jessica Rosner <***@gmail.com<mailto:***@gmail.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 10:15 AM
To: ***@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:***@lists.berkeley.edu>
Subject: Re: [videolib] non-theatrical film screenings of Netflix exclusives

EXTERNAL MESSAGE
Netflix never allows any non theatrical screenings of any of its films. They have allowed limited screenings at festivals of some films, I have never in fact heard of them allowing non theatrical screenings of documentaries except for highly specialized cases like '13" where the director pressured them.

There has been much discussion of ROMA specifically among indie theaters and basically Netflix is only allowing shows on very short notice to theaters and also wanting special equipment.

I would offer you the contact info for the theatrical booker but theaters have been adamant that they are blowing everyone off.

Here is one fun article that was posted. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/14/movies/netflix-ballad-of-buster-scruggs.html<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2018%2F11%2F14%2Fmovies%2Fnetflix-ballad-of-buster-scruggs.html&data=02%7C01%7Csarah.e.mccleskey%40hofstra.edu%7C25998f694a514cc798e808d655443ebb%7Ce32fc43d7c6246d9b49fcd53ba8d9424%7C0%7C0%7C636790148935671624&sdata=dzM2w8V1RVeH6aqpK2oHgYb5MM5dApHFrLFEb2vw2QU%3D&reserved=0>

On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 10:03 AM Fair, Molly <***@richmond.edu<mailto:***@richmond.edu>> wrote:

Hi all,

I'm organizing the international film series at University of Richmond and we want to show the film Roma by Alfonso Cuarón which is coming out soon. I read an article that said because the film is distributed by Netflix it is getting a very limited theatrical release. I'm not sure what this will mean for non-theatrical screenings. As you are probably familiar- Netflix does allow screenings of some documentaries, but does not seem to have a policy for narrative features. Does anyone have any direct contact info for Netflix reps who handle these questions? I'm not looking for a general phone number- I already tried that with no success. So far I managed to find email contacts for people who handle press inquiries for the film over at Netflix but that's all. Thanks for any info you can provide.

best,

Molly Fair

Film Librarian

University of Richmond
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[Julie Bradford]

I couldn't find a way to bring up all of the films that do allow
educational screenings and I am guessing Netflix has set it up that way
for a reason. However, I did find an article from July 2017
<https://decider.com/2017/07/18/guide-to-netflix-documentaries-approved-for-educational-screenings/>that
listed 11 films.  I don't know if any newer films have granted
permission, or not, but at least it is a start.

Julie

Post by Susan Albrecht
I couldn’t agree more with the rest of you re: the importance of this
issue.  I know as a member of the National Media Market board for a
few years now, we have talked and talked about how we can facilitate
conversation and communication with the Netflix PTB. It’s just so
stinking hard to get anyone there or at Amazon, etc., to listen and to
recognize the importance of (and potential value to them of)  working
with the academic and library market.  I appreciate Nora’s input that
reaching out to filmmakers directly, to ask them to help apply
pressure, can be effective.
Do remember, though, that there **is** a list at Netflix that allows
you to determine items in their catalog which are FREE to use for
https://media.netflix.com/en/only-on-netflix#/new?page=1
It’s clunky and not easy to use, but I’d suggest going to “All
Alphabetical” and then using */13^th /* as an example.  When you click
on it, it brings up a full description of the film and the verbiage
“Grant of Permission for Educational Screenings” with an explanation.
 I don’t think there’s a way to sort just for that, so you have to do
some hunting, but it’s better than no list at all!
Susan Albrecht
Wabash College Fellowship Advisor and Library Visual Media Liaison
765-361-6216 / 765-361-6295 (fax)
https://wabash.edu/fellowships/
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*Sent:* Wednesday, November 28, 2018 11:10 AM
*Subject:* Re: [videolib] non-theatrical film screenings of Netflix
exclusives
Hi Nora and all,
This is a really important topic.
I've organized many public screenings over the years,with a focus on
documentaries.  I've been frustrated for a while now about these kinds
of restrictions and it seems to be getting worse.
It's interesting - if we show something that's been on Netflix or
broadcast - we still get a strong turnout. The main reason, at least I
like to think, is that people want to come together to have a shared
experience and we can offer the value added factor of having the
filmmakers or other speakers who are well-versed on the subject.
While it is not impossible to get permission to screen a new(er) film
that is under contract by Netflix it has been because the filmmakers
negotiated with them.
I think my main frustration is that I think everyone involved - the
filmmakers, the distributors, theaters, libraries - have a common
objective of getting more people to see their films.
I'll be reading this thread for thoughts on this topic...
Susan
Most of the discussions happen at film festivals and conferences
like “Getting real”- are librarians able to send a contingent
there? I’ll look into it, I don’t know that a dedicated forum
exists but that would be a great idea. Check out “The D word” lots
of discussion there with filmmakers.
I agree that this is a crucial topic!
Nora
Hi Nora,
Thank you for sharing your experience as a filmmaker.
Is there a forum where filmmakers are sharing this discussion,
especially one where libraries and similar organizations can
track or participate in?
Regards,
Laura
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Boston University
617-353-9240
*Date: *Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 10:50 AM
*Subject: *Re: [videolib] non-theatrical film screenings of
Netflix exclusives
Hi there, as filmmakers we talk a lot of about this and I
would suggest contacting the film director / film team
directly to see if they can put pressure on Netflix - explain
what you want to do with the film, they usually push on behalf
of educators, the same way It happened for 13th. I believe the
Audrie & Daisy team also got the right to show in screenings
outside of Netflix. Filmmakers usually don’t have a lot of
leeway when negotiating those deals, but we are talking about it.
Thanks for sharing your insights!
Nora
www.shestarteditfilm.com <http://www.shestarteditfilm.com>
On Nov 28, 2018, at 10:39 AM, Jessica Rosner
there has been a LOT of discussion/press of Netflix not
allowing their films in THEATERS but virtually none that
they and Amazon ( in many cases) don't allow their films
in libraries or to be used in classes, for research etc,
except if every student somehow had a membership. I am
frustrated that this issue has received zero attention
both in the press and I think in the film community. Sadly
I can't see either of them allowing physical copies of
their titles but perhaps pressure for SOME streaming
access. I am still very concerned that streaming without
either owning the  stream or physical copies is basically
turning libraries into academic Netflix with no real
collection or permanent access. Overall I think I am
getting too old for this. Last  night I was on a plane
watching the woman next to me watch a film on her phone.
Luckily it was MAMA MIA but jeez watching a film a screen
smaller than your hand is really depressing me.
On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM Sarah E. McCleskey
ARGGG this makes my blood pressure go up. I tried
every way I could think of to get a DVD copy of Strong
Island (I mean, it is a LOCAL story and uses lots of
local sources).  No dice. Standard response about the
Netflix screening “license” which is in itself so dang
problematic.
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 28, 2018 10:15 AM
*Subject:* Re: [videolib] non-theatrical film
screenings of Netflix exclusives
EXTERNAL MESSAGE
Netflix never allows any non theatrical screenings of
any of its films. They have allowed limited screenings
at festivals of some films, I have never in fact heard
of them allowing non theatrical screenings of
documentaries except for highly specialized cases like
'13" where the director pressured them.
There has been much discussion of ROMA specifically
among indie theaters and basically Netflix is only
allowing shows on very short notice to theaters and
also wanting special equipment.
I would offer you the contact info  for the theatrical
booker but theaters have been adamant that they are
blowing everyone off.
Here is one fun article that was posted.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/14/movies/netflix-ballad-of-buster-scruggs.html
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On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 10:03 AM Fair, Molly
Hi all,
I'm organizing the international film series at
University of Richmond and we want to show the
film Roma by Alfonso Cuarón which is coming out
soon. I read an article that said because the film
is distributed by Netflix it is getting a very
limited theatrical release. I'm not sure what this
will mean for non-theatrical screenings. As you
are probably familiar- Netflix does allow
screenings of some documentaries, but does not
seem to have a policy for narrative features. Does
anyone have any direct contact info for Netflix
reps who handle these questions? I'm not looking
for a general phone number- I already tried that
with no success. So far I managed to find
email contacts for people who handle press
inquiries for the film over at Netflix but that's
all. Thanks for any info you can provide.
best,
Molly Fair
Film Librarian
University of Richmond
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Maybe its time to use your university ties:

Anyone have contacts with your alumni folks to reach out to these guys. Or
maybe wrangle a conference presentation:

https://media.netflix.com/en/management-team

Once we look them in the eyes, we will have power!

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Post by Julie Bradford
I couldn't find a way to bring up all of the films that do allow
educational screenings and I am guessing Netflix has set it up that way for
a reason. However, I did find an article from July 2017
<https://decider.com/2017/07/18/guide-to-netflix-documentaries-approved-for-educational-screenings/>that
listed 11 films. I don't know if any newer films have granted permission,
or not, but at least it is a start.
Julie
I couldn’t agree more with the rest of you re: the importance of this
issue. I know as a member of the National Media Market board for a few
years now, we have talked and talked about how we can facilitate
conversation and communication with the Netflix PTB. It’s just so stinking
hard to get anyone there or at Amazon, etc., to listen and to recognize the
importance of (and potential value to them of) working with the academic
and library market. I appreciate Nora’s input that reaching out to
filmmakers directly, to ask them to help apply pressure, can be effective.
Do remember, though, that there **is** a list at Netflix that allows you
to determine items in their catalog which are FREE to use for educational
https://media.netflix.com/en/only-on-netflix#/new?page=1
It’s clunky and not easy to use, but I’d suggest going to “All
Alphabetical” and then using *13th* as an example. When you click on it,
it brings up a full description of the film and the verbiage “Grant of
Permission for Educational Screenings” with an explanation. I don’t think
there’s a way to sort just for that, so you have to do some hunting, but
it’s better than no list at all!
Susan Albrecht
Wabash College Fellowship Advisor and Library Visual Media Liaison
765-361-6216 / 765-361-6295 (fax)
https://wabash.edu/fellowships/
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*Sent:* Wednesday, November 28, 2018 11:10 AM
*Subject:* Re: [videolib] non-theatrical film screenings of Netflix
exclusives
Hi Nora and all,
This is a really important topic.
I've organized many public screenings over the years,with a focus on
documentaries. I've been frustrated for a while now about these kinds of
restrictions and it seems to be getting worse.
It's interesting - if we show something that's been on Netflix or
broadcast - we still get a strong turnout. The main reason, at least I like
to think, is that people want to come together to have a shared experience
and we can offer the value added factor of having the filmmakers or other
speakers who are well-versed on the subject.
While it is not impossible to get permission to screen a new(er) film that
is under contract by Netflix it has been because the filmmakers negotiated
with them.
I think my main frustration is that I think everyone involved - the
filmmakers, the distributors, theaters, libraries - have a common objective
of getting more people to see their films.
I'll be reading this thread for thoughts on this topic...
Susan
Most of the discussions happen at film festivals and conferences like
“Getting real”- are librarians able to send a contingent there? I’ll look
into it, I don’t know that a dedicated forum exists but that would be a
great idea. Check out “The D word” lots of discussion there with filmmakers.
I agree that this is a crucial topic!
Nora
Hi Nora,
Thank you for sharing your experience as a filmmaker.
Is there a forum where filmmakers are sharing this discussion, especially
one where libraries and similar organizations can track or participate in?
Regards,
Laura
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617-353-9240
*Date: *Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 10:50 AM
*Subject: *Re: [videolib] non-theatrical film screenings of Netflix
exclusives
Hi there, as filmmakers we talk a lot of about this and I would suggest
contacting the film director / film team directly to see if they can put
pressure on Netflix - explain what you want to do with the film, they
usually push on behalf of educators, the same way It happened for 13th. I
believe the Audrie & Daisy team also got the right to show in screenings
outside of Netflix. Filmmakers usually don’t have a lot of leeway when
negotiating those deals, but we are talking about it.
Thanks for sharing your insights!
Nora
www.shestarteditfilm.com
there has been a LOT of discussion/press of Netflix not allowing their
films in THEATERS but virtually none that they and Amazon ( in many cases)
don't allow their films in libraries or to be used in classes, for research
etc, except if every student somehow had a membership. I am frustrated that
this issue has received zero attention both in the press and I think in the
film community. Sadly I can't see either of them allowing physical copies
of their titles but perhaps pressure for SOME streaming access. I am still
very concerned that streaming without either owning the stream or physical
copies is basically turning libraries into academic Netflix with no real
collection or permanent access. Overall I think I am getting too old for
this. Last night I was on a plane watching the woman next to me watch a
film on her phone. Luckily it was MAMA MIA but jeez watching a film a
screen smaller than your hand is really depressing me.
On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM Sarah E. McCleskey <
ARGGG this makes my blood pressure go up. I tried every way I could think
of to get a DVD copy of Strong Island (I mean, it is a LOCAL story and uses
lots of local sources). No dice. Standard response about the Netflix
screening “license” which is in itself so dang problematic.
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 28, 2018 10:15 AM
*Subject:* Re: [videolib] non-theatrical film screenings of Netflix
exclusives
EXTERNAL MESSAGE
Netflix never allows any non theatrical screenings of any of its films.
They have allowed limited screenings at festivals of some films, I have
never in fact heard of them allowing non theatrical screenings of
documentaries except for highly specialized cases like '13" where the
director pressured them.
There has been much discussion of ROMA specifically among indie theaters
and basically Netflix is only allowing shows on very short notice to
theaters and also wanting special equipment.
I would offer you the contact info for the theatrical booker but theaters
have been adamant that they are blowing everyone off.
Here is one fun article that was posted.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/14/movies/netflix-ballad-of-buster-scruggs.html
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Hi all,
I'm organizing the international film series at University of Richmond and
we want to show the film Roma by Alfonso Cuarón which is coming out soon. I
read an article that said because the film is distributed by Netflix it is
getting a very limited theatrical release. I'm not sure what this will
mean for non-theatrical screenings. As you are probably familiar- Netflix
does allow screenings of some documentaries, but does not seem to have a
policy for narrative features. Does anyone have any direct contact info for
Netflix reps who handle these questions? I'm not looking for a general
phone number- I already tried that with no success. So far I managed to
find email contacts for people who handle press inquiries for the film over
at Netflix but that's all. Thanks for any info you can provide.
best,
Molly Fair
Film Librarian
University of Richmond
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[Jessica Rosner]

Call me a cynic but if Netflix does not care that ROMA won't really be in
theaters and very high powered directors have little influence I doubt
libraries will. I suspect the best you might get is some kind of small
discount on mass membership for EVERY student. It basically goes against
their entire model and Netflix has been utterly contemptuous of theaters I
suspect he thinks even less of libraries.I do think it is very important to
try to get the press and the film industry to cover the problem that an
increasing number of films and other programming are basically totally
unavailable at least legally for academic use. I really don't think that is
understood at all and it is only going to get worse. It is obviously not
practical for every student or even every student in a specific class to
have a membership in Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, Criterion, MUBI and whatever. I
am a bad person for this as I literally don't stream but perhaps ALA, SCMS,
NMM could try to get attention to the issue. Reach out to DGA, IFP. AMIA,
heck try SAG, Variety, Indiewire etc. Its very important that both the
industry and the public understand that so many films are NOT available
for academic use, can never be seen on a college campus, museum and more. I
think it might also be a good thing to work with Art House Convergence
which represents indie theaters , distributors etc. who face a similar
issue.

Good luck

Post by Carleton L Jackson
Anyone have contacts with your alumni folks to reach out to these guys. Or
https://media.netflix.com/en/management-team
Once we look them in the eyes, we will have power!
(Just hoping...)
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Post by Julie Bradford
I couldn't find a way to bring up all of the films that do allow
educational screenings and I am guessing Netflix has set it up that way for
a reason. However, I did find an article from July 2017
<https://decider.com/2017/07/18/guide-to-netflix-documentaries-approved-for-educational-screenings/>that
listed 11 films. I don't know if any newer films have granted permission,
or not, but at least it is a start.
Julie
I couldn’t agree more with the rest of you re: the importance of this
issue. I know as a member of the National Media Market board for a few
years now, we have talked and talked about how we can facilitate
conversation and communication with the Netflix PTB. It’s just so stinking
hard to get anyone there or at Amazon, etc., to listen and to recognize the
importance of (and potential value to them of) working with the academic
and library market. I appreciate Nora’s input that reaching out to
filmmakers directly, to ask them to help apply pressure, can be effective.
Do remember, though, that there **is** a list at Netflix that allows you
to determine items in their catalog which are FREE to use for educational
https://media.netflix.com/en/only-on-netflix#/new?page=1
It’s clunky and not easy to use, but I’d suggest going to “All
Alphabetical” and then using *13th* as an example. When you click on
it, it brings up a full description of the film and the verbiage “Grant of
Permission for Educational Screenings” with an explanation. I don’t think
there’s a way to sort just for that, so you have to do some hunting, but
it’s better than no list at all!
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*Sent:* Wednesday, November 28, 2018 11:10 AM
*Subject:* Re: [videolib] non-theatrical film screenings of Netflix
exclusives
Hi Nora and all,
This is a really important topic.
I've organized many public screenings over the years,with a focus on
documentaries. I've been frustrated for a while now about these kinds of
restrictions and it seems to be getting worse.
It's interesting - if we show something that's been on Netflix or
broadcast - we still get a strong turnout. The main reason, at least I like
to think, is that people want to come together to have a shared experience
and we can offer the value added factor of having the filmmakers or other
speakers who are well-versed on the subject.
While it is not impossible to get permission to screen a new(er) film
that is under contract by Netflix it has been because the filmmakers
negotiated with them.
I think my main frustration is that I think everyone involved - the
filmmakers, the distributors, theaters, libraries - have a common objective
of getting more people to see their films.
I'll be reading this thread for thoughts on this topic...
Susan
Most of the discussions happen at film festivals and conferences like
“Getting real”- are librarians able to send a contingent there? I’ll look
into it, I don’t know that a dedicated forum exists but that would be a
great idea. Check out “The D word” lots of discussion there with filmmakers.
I agree that this is a crucial topic!
Nora
Hi Nora,
Thank you for sharing your experience as a filmmaker.
Is there a forum where filmmakers are sharing this discussion, especially
one where libraries and similar organizations can track or participate in?
Regards,
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*Date: *Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 10:50 AM
*Subject: *Re: [videolib] non-theatrical film screenings of Netflix
exclusives
Hi there, as filmmakers we talk a lot of about this and I would suggest
contacting the film director / film team directly to see if they can put
pressure on Netflix - explain what you want to do with the film, they
usually push on behalf of educators, the same way It happened for 13th. I
believe the Audrie & Daisy team also got the right to show in screenings
outside of Netflix. Filmmakers usually don’t have a lot of leeway when
negotiating those deals, but we are talking about it.
Thanks for sharing your insights!
Nora
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there has been a LOT of discussion/press of Netflix not allowing their
films in THEATERS but virtually none that they and Amazon ( in many cases)
don't allow their films in libraries or to be used in classes, for research
etc, except if every student somehow had a membership. I am frustrated that
this issue has received zero attention both in the press and I think in the
film community. Sadly I can't see either of them allowing physical copies
of their titles but perhaps pressure for SOME streaming access. I am still
very concerned that streaming without either owning the stream or physical
copies is basically turning libraries into academic Netflix with no real
collection or permanent access. Overall I think I am getting too old for
this. Last night I was on a plane watching the woman next to me watch a
film on her phone. Luckily it was MAMA MIA but jeez watching a film a
screen smaller than your hand is really depressing me.
On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM Sarah E. McCleskey <
ARGGG this makes my blood pressure go up. I tried every way I could think
of to get a DVD copy of Strong Island (I mean, it is a LOCAL story and uses
lots of local sources). No dice. Standard response about the Netflix
screening “license” which is in itself so dang problematic.
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Netflix never allows any non theatrical screenings of any of its films.
They have allowed limited screenings at festivals of some films, I have
never in fact heard of them allowing non theatrical screenings of
documentaries except for highly specialized cases like '13" where the
director pressured them.
There has been much discussion of ROMA specifically among indie theaters
and basically Netflix is only allowing shows on very short notice to
theaters and also wanting special equipment.
I would offer you the contact info for the theatrical booker but
theaters have been adamant that they are blowing everyone off.
Here is one fun article that was posted.
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Hi all,
I'm organizing the international film series at University of Richmond
and we want to show the film Roma by Alfonso Cuarón which is coming out
soon. I read an article that said because the film is distributed by
Netflix it is getting a very limited theatrical release. I'm not sure what
this will mean for non-theatrical screenings. As you are probably familiar-
Netflix does allow screenings of some documentaries, but does not seem to
have a policy for narrative features. Does anyone have any direct contact
info for Netflix reps who handle these questions? I'm not looking for a
general phone number- I already tried that with no success. So far I
managed to find email contacts for people who handle press inquiries for
the film over at Netflix but that's all. Thanks for any info you can
provide.
best,
Molly Fair
Film Librarian
University of Richmond
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[Wochna, Lorraine]

Hi all,
Never ending conversation about Netflix/amazon. As usual it has been eye opening, and really appreciate Nora’s input. I like Carleton’s idea – maybe we have alum somewhere? And I definitely voting for a conference presentation; it would be useful in so many venues, ALA: FILM & MEDIA ROUNDTABLE, NATIONAL MEDIA MARKET, FILM LIBRARIAIN CONFERENCE (maybe?), CHARLESTON CONF?, and as suggested, Film Festivals, input from filmmakers. Conversation(s) with Ava Duvernay, how did she make 13th happen?

I also think Netflix took down the other 11 titles – but this fact goes back and forth.

Or, one of us gets a job at Netflix, and then infiltrate
.. Carleton, your retiring, maybe a little PT gig at Netflix?

Keep it coming,
lorraine



From: Carleton L Jackson <***@umd.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 12:11 PM
To: ***@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [videolib] non-theatrical film screenings of Netflix exclusives LIST

Maybe its time to use your university ties:

Anyone have contacts with your alumni folks to reach out to these guys. Or maybe wrangle a conference presentation:

https://media.netflix.com/en/management-team

Once we look them in the eyes, we will have power!

(Just hoping...)

Carleton



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On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 11:27 AM Julie Bradford <***@lcplin.org<mailto:***@lcplin.org>> wrote:
I couldn't find a way to bring up all of the films that do allow educational screenings and I am guessing Netflix has set it up that way for a reason. However, I did find an article from July 2017 <https://decider.com/2017/07/18/guide-to-netflix-documentaries-approved-for-educational-screenings/> that listed 11 films. I don't know if any newer films have granted permission, or not, but at least it is a start.

Julie


On 11/28/2018 10:20 AM, Susan Albrecht wrote:
I couldn’t agree more with the rest of you re: the importance of this issue. I know as a member of the National Media Market board for a few years now, we have talked and talked about how we can facilitate conversation and communication with the Netflix PTB. It’s just so stinking hard to get anyone there or at Amazon, etc., to listen and to recognize the importance of (and potential value to them of) working with the academic and library market. I appreciate Nora’s input that reaching out to filmmakers directly, to ask them to help apply pressure, can be effective.

Do remember, though, that there *is* a list at Netflix that allows you to determine items in their catalog which are FREE to use for educational screenings. Go here: https://media.netflix.com/en/only-on-netflix#/new?page=1
It’s clunky and not easy to use, but I’d suggest going to “All Alphabetical” and then using 13th as an example. When you click on it, it brings up a full description of the film and the verbiage “Grant of Permission for Educational Screenings” with an explanation. I don’t think there’s a way to sort just for that, so you have to do some hunting, but it’s better than no list at all!

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From: Susan Conlon [mailto:***@princetonlibrary.org]
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 11:10 AM
To: ***@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:***@lists.berkeley.edu>
Subject: Re: [videolib] non-theatrical film screenings of Netflix exclusives

Hi Nora and all,

This is a really important topic.

I've organized many public screenings over the years,with a focus on documentaries. I've been frustrated for a while now about these kinds of restrictions and it seems to be getting worse.

It's interesting - if we show something that's been on Netflix or broadcast - we still get a strong turnout. The main reason, at least I like to think, is that people want to come together to have a shared experience and we can offer the value added factor of having the filmmakers or other speakers who are well-versed on the subject.

While it is not impossible to get permission to screen a new(er) film that is under contract by Netflix it has been because the filmmakers negotiated with them.

I think my main frustration is that I think everyone involved - the filmmakers, the distributors, theaters, libraries - have a common objective of getting more people to see their films.

I'll be reading this thread for thoughts on this topic...

Susan

On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 10:58 AM Nora Poggi <***@gmail.com<mailto:***@gmail.com>> wrote:
Most of the discussions happen at film festivals and conferences like “Getting real”- are librarians able to send a contingent there? I’ll look into it, I don’t know that a dedicated forum exists but that would be a great idea. Check out “The D word” lots of discussion there with filmmakers.
I agree that this is a crucial topic!
Nora

On Nov 28, 2018, at 10:54 AM, Jenemann, Laura <***@bu.edu<mailto:***@bu.edu>> wrote:
Hi Nora,

Thank you for sharing your experience as a filmmaker.

Is there a forum where filmmakers are sharing this discussion, especially one where libraries and similar organizations can track or participate in?

Regards,
Laura

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To: "***@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:***@lists.berkeley.edu>" <***@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:***@lists.berkeley.edu>>
Subject: Re: [videolib] non-theatrical film screenings of Netflix exclusives

Hi there, as filmmakers we talk a lot of about this and I would suggest contacting the film director / film team directly to see if they can put pressure on Netflix - explain what you want to do with the film, they usually push on behalf of educators, the same way It happened for 13th. I believe the Audrie & Daisy team also got the right to show in screenings outside of Netflix. Filmmakers usually don’t have a lot of leeway when negotiating those deals, but we are talking about it.
Thanks for sharing your insights!

Nora
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On Nov 28, 2018, at 10:39 AM, Jessica Rosner <***@gmail.com<mailto:***@gmail.com>> wrote:
there has been a LOT of discussion/press of Netflix not allowing their films in THEATERS but virtually none that they and Amazon ( in many cases) don't allow their films in libraries or to be used in classes, for research etc, except if every student somehow had a membership. I am frustrated that this issue has received zero attention both in the press and I think in the film community. Sadly I can't see either of them allowing physical copies of their titles but perhaps pressure for SOME streaming access. I am still very concerned that streaming without either owning the stream or physical copies is basically turning libraries into academic Netflix with no real collection or permanent access. Overall I think I am getting too old for this. Last night I was on a plane watching the woman next to me watch a film on her phone. Luckily it was MAMA MIA but jeez watching a film a screen smaller than your hand is really depressing me.


On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM Sarah E. McCleskey <***@hofstra.edu<mailto:***@hofstra.edu>> wrote:
ARGGG this makes my blood pressure go up. I tried every way I could think of to get a DVD copy of Strong Island (I mean, it is a LOCAL story and uses lots of local sources). No dice. Standard response about the Netflix screening “license” which is in itself so dang problematic.

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Subject: Re: [videolib] non-theatrical film screenings of Netflix exclusives

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Netflix never allows any non theatrical screenings of any of its films. They have allowed limited screenings at festivals of some films, I have never in fact heard of them allowing non theatrical screenings of documentaries except for highly specialized cases like '13" where the director pressured them.

There has been much discussion of ROMA specifically among indie theaters and basically Netflix is only allowing shows on very short notice to theaters and also wanting special equipment.

I would offer you the contact info for the theatrical booker but theaters have been adamant that they are blowing everyone off.

Here is one fun article that was posted. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/14/movies/netflix-ballad-of-buster-scruggs.html<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2018%2F11%2F14%2Fmovies%2Fnetflix-ballad-of-buster-scruggs.html&data=02%7C01%7Csarah.e.mccleskey%40hofstra.edu%7C25998f694a514cc798e808d655443ebb%7Ce32fc43d7c6246d9b49fcd53ba8d9424%7C0%7C0%7C636790148935671624&sdata=dzM2w8V1RVeH6aqpK2oHgYb5MM5dApHFrLFEb2vw2QU%3D&reserved=0>

On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 10:03 AM Fair, Molly <***@richmond.edu<mailto:***@richmond.edu>> wrote:

Hi all,

I'm organizing the international film series at University of Richmond and we want to show the film Roma by Alfonso Cuarón which is coming out soon. I read an article that said because the film is distributed by Netflix it is getting a very limited theatrical release. I'm not sure what this will mean for non-theatrical screenings. As you are probably familiar- Netflix does allow screenings of some documentaries, but does not seem to have a policy for narrative features. Does anyone have any direct contact info for Netflix reps who handle these questions? I'm not looking for a general phone number- I already tried that with no success. So far I managed to find email contacts for people who handle press inquiries for the film over at Netflix but that's all. Thanks for any info you can provide.

best,

Molly Fair

Film Librarian

University of Richmond
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Susan
I have been involved with Art House Convergence which is a group made up of
indie film folks ( theaters , distributors) and Netflix has been huge topic
of late. Many of them like your screenings are willing to show films even
when are streaming on Netflix but they are rebuffed. Living in NYC I
actually get a chance to see Netflix films if I want because they must open
NY & LA to qualify for Oscars. I went to MOMA recently to see THEY WILL
LOVE ME WHEN I'M DEAD the documentary about the making of Welles OTHER SIDE
OF THE WIND. Both of course are Netflix and other than a tiny number of
festival and Academy shows and special shows neither will be seen by
audiences en mass which is a shame. I loved watching the doc in a theater
with hundreds of people. More importantly neither will able to be used
(legally) in a course on Orson Welles.

Per other posts I think libraries, universities, festivals, museums ,
theaters etc have common interests and can hopefully work together to
pressure Netflix. Do they really think allowing a class to view THE OTHER
SIDE OF THE WIND or an indie theater to show THEY WILL LOVE ME WHEN I'M
DEAD is going to cost them members?

Post by Susan Conlon
Hi Nora and all,
This is a really important topic.
I've organized many public screenings over the years,with a focus on
documentaries. I've been frustrated for a while now about these kinds of
restrictions and it seems to be getting worse.
It's interesting - if we show something that's been on Netflix or
broadcast - we still get a strong turnout. The main reason, at least I like
to think, is that people want to come together to have a shared experience
and we can offer the value added factor of having the filmmakers or other
speakers who are well-versed on the subject.
While it is not impossible to get permission to screen a new(er) film that
is under contract by Netflix it has been because the filmmakers negotiated
with them.
I think my main frustration is that I think everyone involved - the
filmmakers, the distributors, theaters, libraries - have a common objective
of getting more people to see their films.
I'll be reading this thread for thoughts on this topic...
Susan

Post by Nora Poggi
Most of the discussions happen at film festivals and conferences like
“Getting real”- are librarians able to send a contingent there? I’ll look
into it, I don’t know that a dedicated forum exists but that would be a
great idea. Check out “The D word” lots of discussion there with filmmakers.
I agree that this is a crucial topic!
Nora
Hi Nora,
Thank you for sharing your experience as a filmmaker.
Is there a forum where filmmakers are sharing this discussion, especially
one where libraries and similar organizations can track or participate in?
Regards,
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*Date: *Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 10:50 AM
*Subject: *Re: [videolib] non-theatrical film screenings of Netflix
exclusives
Hi there, as filmmakers we talk a lot of about this and I would suggest
contacting the film director / film team directly to see if they can put
pressure on Netflix - explain what you want to do with the film, they
usually push on behalf of educators, the same way It happened for 13th. I
believe the Audrie & Daisy team also got the right to show in screenings
outside of Netflix. Filmmakers usually don’t have a lot of leeway when
negotiating those deals, but we are talking about it.
Thanks for sharing your insights!
Nora
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there has been a LOT of discussion/press of Netflix not allowing their
films in THEATERS but virtually none that they and Amazon ( in many cases)
don't allow their films in libraries or to be used in classes, for research
etc, except if every student somehow had a membership. I am frustrated that
this issue has received zero attention both in the press and I think in the
film community. Sadly I can't see either of them allowing physical copies
of their titles but perhaps pressure for SOME streaming access. I am still
very concerned that streaming without either owning the stream or physical
copies is basically turning libraries into academic Netflix with no real
collection or permanent access. Overall I think I am getting too old for
this. Last night I was on a plane watching the woman next to me watch a
film on her phone. Luckily it was MAMA MIA but jeez watching a film a
screen smaller than your hand is really depressing me.
On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM Sarah E. McCleskey <
ARGGG this makes my blood pressure go up. I tried every way I could think
of to get a DVD copy of Strong Island (I mean, it is a LOCAL story and uses
lots of local sources). No dice. Standard response about the Netflix
screening “license” which is in itself so dang problematic.
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 28, 2018 10:15 AM
*Subject:* Re: [videolib] non-theatrical film screenings of Netflix
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Netflix never allows any non theatrical screenings of any of its films.
They have allowed limited screenings at festivals of some films, I have
never in fact heard of them allowing non theatrical screenings of
documentaries except for highly specialized cases like '13" where the
director pressured them.
There has been much discussion of ROMA specifically among indie theaters
and basically Netflix is only allowing shows on very short notice to
theaters and also wanting special equipment.
I would offer you the contact info for the theatrical booker but
theaters have been adamant that they are blowing everyone off.
Here is one fun article that was posted.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/14/movies/netflix-ballad-of-buster-scruggs.html
<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2018%2F11%2F14%2Fmovies%2Fnetflix-ballad-of-buster-scruggs.html&data=02%7C01%7Csarah.e.mccleskey%40hofstra.edu%7C25998f694a514cc798e808d655443ebb%7Ce32fc43d7c6246d9b49fcd53ba8d9424%7C0%7C0%7C636790148935671624&sdata=dzM2w8V1RVeH6aqpK2oHgYb5MM5dApHFrLFEb2vw2QU%3D&reserved=0>
Hi all,
I'm organizing the international film series at University of Richmond
and we want to show the film Roma by Alfonso Cuarón which is coming out
soon. I read an article that said because the film is distributed by
Netflix it is getting a very limited theatrical release. I'm not sure what
this will mean for non-theatrical screenings. As you are probably familiar-
Netflix does allow screenings of some documentaries, but does not seem to
have a policy for narrative features. Does anyone have any direct contact
info for Netflix reps who handle these questions? I'm not looking for a
general phone number- I already tried that with no success. So far I
managed to find email contacts for people who handle press inquiries for
the film over at Netflix but that's all. Thanks for any info you can
provide.
best,
Molly Fair
Film Librarian
University of Richmond
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[Steffen, James M]

I am not defending Netflix at all and in fact believe that their business model does not serve the public good. But they do release *some* select titles on home media eventually. This still does not allow for academic streaming, but at least we can purchase physical copies for our collections. I believe that HOUSE OF CARDS received a wide home video release, and STRANGER THINGS was released as a Target exclusive. (Refraining from comment on that
) It is likely that someday THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WIND and the accompanying Welles documentary will see a physical release on DVD and Blu-ray. But it might be a while before that happens, and it might be another “exclusive” release that is difficult for libraries to acquire.

That said, this whole business smacks of corporate feudalism.

Best,
James Steffen

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Susan
I have been involved with Art House Convergence which is a group made up of indie film folks ( theaters , distributors) and Netflix has been huge topic of late. Many of them like your screenings are willing to show films even when are streaming on Netflix but they are rebuffed. Living in NYC I actually get a chance to see Netflix films if I want because they must open NY & LA to qualify for Oscars. I went to MOMA recently to see THEY WILL LOVE ME WHEN I'M DEAD the documentary about the making of Welles OTHER SIDE OF THE WIND. Both of course are Netflix and other than a tiny number of festival and Academy shows and special shows neither will be seen by audiences en mass which is a shame. I loved watching the doc in a theater with hundreds of people. More importantly neither will able to be used (legally) in a course on Orson Welles.

Per other posts I think libraries, universities, festivals, museums , theaters etc have common interests and can hopefully work together to pressure Netflix. Do they really think allowing a class to view THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WIND or an indie theater to show THEY WILL LOVE ME WHEN I'M DEAD is going to cost them members?




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Hi Nora and all,

This is a really important topic.

I've organized many public screenings over the years,with a focus on documentaries. I've been frustrated for a while now about these kinds of restrictions and it seems to be getting worse.

It's interesting - if we show something that's been on Netflix or broadcast - we still get a strong turnout. The main reason, at least I like to think, is that people want to come together to have a shared experience and we can offer the value added factor of having the filmmakers or other speakers who are well-versed on the subject.

While it is not impossible to get permission to screen a new(er) film that is under contract by Netflix it has been because the filmmakers negotiated with them.

I think my main frustration is that I think everyone involved - the filmmakers, the distributors, theaters, libraries - have a common objective of getting more people to see their films.

I'll be reading this thread for thoughts on this topic...

Susan

On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 10:58 AM Nora Poggi <***@gmail.com<mailto:***@gmail.com>> wrote:
Most of the discussions happen at film festivals and conferences like “Getting real”- are librarians able to send a contingent there? I’ll look into it, I don’t know that a dedicated forum exists but that would be a great idea. Check out “The D word” lots of discussion there with filmmakers.
I agree that this is a crucial topic!
Nora

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Hi Nora,

Thank you for sharing your experience as a filmmaker.

Is there a forum where filmmakers are sharing this discussion, especially one where libraries and similar organizations can track or participate in?

Regards,
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Hi there, as filmmakers we talk a lot of about this and I would suggest contacting the film director / film team directly to see if they can put pressure on Netflix - explain what you want to do with the film, they usually push on behalf of educators, the same way It happened for 13th. I believe the Audrie & Daisy team also got the right to show in screenings outside of Netflix. Filmmakers usually don’t have a lot of leeway when negotiating those deals, but we are talking about it.
Thanks for sharing your insights!

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On Nov 28, 2018, at 10:39 AM, Jessica Rosner <***@gmail.com<mailto:***@gmail.com>> wrote:
there has been a LOT of discussion/press of Netflix not allowing their films in THEATERS but virtually none that they and Amazon ( in many cases) don't allow their films in libraries or to be used in classes, for research etc, except if every student somehow had a membership. I am frustrated that this issue has received zero attention both in the press and I think in the film community. Sadly I can't see either of them allowing physical copies of their titles but perhaps pressure for SOME streaming access. I am still very concerned that streaming without either owning the stream or physical copies is basically turning libraries into academic Netflix with no real collection or permanent access. Overall I think I am getting too old for this. Last night I was on a plane watching the woman next to me watch a film on her phone. Luckily it was MAMA MIA but jeez watching a film a screen smaller than your hand is really depressing me.


On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM Sarah E. McCleskey <***@hofstra.edu<mailto:***@hofstra.edu>> wrote:
ARGGG this makes my blood pressure go up. I tried every way I could think of to get a DVD copy of Strong Island (I mean, it is a LOCAL story and uses lots of local sources). No dice. Standard response about the Netflix screening “license” which is in itself so dang problematic.

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Netflix never allows any non theatrical screenings of any of its films. They have allowed limited screenings at festivals of some films, I have never in fact heard of them allowing non theatrical screenings of documentaries except for highly specialized cases like '13" where the director pressured them.

There has been much discussion of ROMA specifically among indie theaters and basically Netflix is only allowing shows on very short notice to theaters and also wanting special equipment.

I would offer you the contact info for the theatrical booker but theaters have been adamant that they are blowing everyone off.

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On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 10:03 AM Fair, Molly <***@richmond.edu<mailto:***@richmond.edu>> wrote:

Hi all,

I'm organizing the international film series at University of Richmond and we want to show the film Roma by Alfonso Cuarón which is coming out soon. I read an article that said because the film is distributed by Netflix it is getting a very limited theatrical release. I'm not sure what this will mean for non-theatrical screenings. As you are probably familiar- Netflix does allow screenings of some documentaries, but does not seem to have a policy for narrative features. Does anyone have any direct contact info for Netflix reps who handle these questions? I'm not looking for a general phone number- I already tried that with no success. So far I managed to find email contacts for people who handle press inquiries for the film over at Netflix but that's all. Thanks for any info you can provide.

best,

Molly Fair

Film Librarian

University of Richmond
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Alas I think there is little to no chance of the Welles films being
released on DVD. I would be more than happy if Netfix allowed DVDs and not
even academic streams but HOUSE OF CARDS and STRANGER THINGS were outliers
they will not be putting stuff out on DVD. It is possible that when their
contracts expire and rights revert on some films others might but not
Netflix

Post by Steffen, James M
I am not defending Netflix at all and in fact believe that their business
model does not serve the public good. But they do release **some** select
titles on home media eventually. This still does not allow for academic
streaming, but at least we can purchase physical copies for our
collections. I believe that HOUSE OF CARDS received a wide home video
release, and STRANGER THINGS was released as a Target exclusive.
(Refraining from comment on that
) It is likely that someday THE OTHER SIDE
OF THE WIND and the accompanying Welles documentary will see a physical
release on DVD and Blu-ray. But it might be a while before that happens,
and it might be another “exclusive” release that is difficult for libraries
to acquire.
That said, this whole business smacks of corporate feudalism.
Best,
James Steffen
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Susan
I have been involved with Art House Convergence which is a group made up
of indie film folks ( theaters , distributors) and Netflix has been huge
topic of late. Many of them like your screenings are willing to show films
even when are streaming on Netflix but they are rebuffed. Living in NYC I
actually get a chance to see Netflix films if I want because they must open
NY & LA to qualify for Oscars. I went to MOMA recently to see THEY WILL
LOVE ME WHEN I'M DEAD the documentary about the making of Welles OTHER SIDE
OF THE WIND. Both of course are Netflix and other than a tiny number of
festival and Academy shows and special shows neither will be seen by
audiences en mass which is a shame. I loved watching the doc in a theater
with hundreds of people. More importantly neither will able to be used
(legally) in a course on Orson Welles.
Per other posts I think libraries, universities, festivals, museums ,
theaters etc have common interests and can hopefully work together to
pressure Netflix. Do they really think allowing a class to view THE OTHER
SIDE OF THE WIND or an indie theater to show THEY WILL LOVE ME WHEN I'M
DEAD is going to cost them members?
On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 11:10 AM Susan Conlon <
Hi Nora and all,
This is a really important topic.
I've organized many public screenings over the years,with a focus on
documentaries. I've been frustrated for a while now about these kinds of
restrictions and it seems to be getting worse.
It's interesting - if we show something that's been on Netflix or
broadcast - we still get a strong turnout. The main reason, at least I like
to think, is that people want to come together to have a shared experience
and we can offer the value added factor of having the filmmakers or other
speakers who are well-versed on the subject.
While it is not impossible to get permission to screen a new(er) film that
is under contract by Netflix it has been because the filmmakers negotiated
with them.
I think my main frustration is that I think everyone involved - the
filmmakers, the distributors, theaters, libraries - have a common objective
of getting more people to see their films.
I'll be reading this thread for thoughts on this topic...
Susan
Most of the discussions happen at film festivals and conferences like
“Getting real”- are librarians able to send a contingent there? I’ll look
into it, I don’t know that a dedicated forum exists but that would be a
great idea. Check out “The D word” lots of discussion there with filmmakers.
I agree that this is a crucial topic!
Nora
Hi Nora,
Thank you for sharing your experience as a filmmaker.
Is there a forum where filmmakers are sharing this discussion, especially
one where libraries and similar organizations can track or participate in?
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*Date: *Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 10:50 AM
*Subject: *Re: [videolib] non-theatrical film screenings of Netflix
exclusives
Hi there, as filmmakers we talk a lot of about this and I would suggest
contacting the film director / film team directly to see if they can put
pressure on Netflix - explain what you want to do with the film, they
usually push on behalf of educators, the same way It happened for 13th. I
believe the Audrie & Daisy team also got the right to show in screenings
outside of Netflix. Filmmakers usually don’t have a lot of leeway when
negotiating those deals, but we are talking about it.
Thanks for sharing your insights!
Nora
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there has been a LOT of discussion/press of Netflix not allowing their
films in THEATERS but virtually none that they and Amazon ( in many cases)
don't allow their films in libraries or to be used in classes, for research
etc, except if every student somehow had a membership. I am frustrated that
this issue has received zero attention both in the press and I think in the
film community. Sadly I can't see either of them allowing physical copies
of their titles but perhaps pressure for SOME streaming access. I am still
very concerned that streaming without either owning the stream or physical
copies is basically turning libraries into academic Netflix with no real
collection or permanent access. Overall I think I am getting too old for
this. Last night I was on a plane watching the woman next to me watch a
film on her phone. Luckily it was MAMA MIA but jeez watching a film a
screen smaller than your hand is really depressing me.
On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM Sarah E. McCleskey <
ARGGG this makes my blood pressure go up. I tried every way I could think
of to get a DVD copy of Strong Island (I mean, it is a LOCAL story and uses
lots of local sources). No dice. Standard response about the Netflix
screening “license” which is in itself so dang problematic.
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Netflix never allows any non theatrical screenings of any of its films.
They have allowed limited screenings at festivals of some films, I have
never in fact heard of them allowing non theatrical screenings of
documentaries except for highly specialized cases like '13" where the
director pressured them.
There has been much discussion of ROMA specifically among indie theaters
and basically Netflix is only allowing shows on very short notice to
theaters and also wanting special equipment.
I would offer you the contact info for the theatrical booker but theaters
have been adamant that they are blowing everyone off.
Here is one fun article that was posted.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/14/movies/netflix-ballad-of-buster-scruggs.html
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I'm organizing the international film series at University of Richmond and
we want to show the film Roma by Alfonso Cuarón which is coming out soon. I
read an article that said because the film is distributed by Netflix it is
getting a very limited theatrical release. I'm not sure what this will
mean for non-theatrical screenings. As you are probably familiar- Netflix
does allow screenings of some documentaries, but does not seem to have a
policy for narrative features. Does anyone have any direct contact info for
Netflix reps who handle these questions? I'm not looking for a general
phone number- I already tried that with no success. So far I managed to
find email contacts for people who handle press inquiries for the film over
at Netflix but that's all. Thanks for any info you can provide.
best,
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Film Librarian
University of Richmond
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Post by Jessica Rosner
Susan
I have been involved with Art House Convergence which is a group made up
of indie film folks ( theaters , distributors) and Netflix has been huge
topic of late. Many of them like your screenings are willing to show films
even when are streaming on Netflix but they are rebuffed. Living in NYC I
actually get a chance to see Netflix films if I want because they must open
NY & LA to qualify for Oscars. I went to MOMA recently to see THEY WILL
LOVE ME WHEN I'M DEAD the documentary about the making of Welles OTHER SIDE
OF THE WIND. Both of course are Netflix and other than a tiny number of
festival and Academy shows and special shows neither will be seen by
audiences en mass which is a shame. I loved watching the doc in a theater
with hundreds of people. More importantly neither will able to be used
(legally) in a course on Orson Welles.
Per other posts I think libraries, universities, festivals, museums ,
theaters etc have common interests and can hopefully work together to
pressure Netflix. Do they really think allowing a class to view THE OTHER
SIDE OF THE WIND or an indie theater to show THEY WILL LOVE ME WHEN I'M
DEAD is going to cost them members?
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Hi Nora and all,
This is a really important topic.
I've organized many public screenings over the years,with a focus on
documentaries. I've been frustrated for a while now about these kinds of
restrictions and it seems to be getting worse.
It's interesting - if we show something that's been on Netflix or
broadcast - we still get a strong turnout. The main reason, at least I like
to think, is that people want to come together to have a shared experience
and we can offer the value added factor of having the filmmakers or other
speakers who are well-versed on the subject.
While it is not impossible to get permission to screen a new(er) film
that is under contract by Netflix it has been because the filmmakers
negotiated with them.
I think my main frustration is that I think everyone involved - the
filmmakers, the distributors, theaters, libraries - have a common objective
of getting more people to see their films.
I'll be reading this thread for thoughts on this topic...
Susan

Post by Nora Poggi
Most of the discussions happen at film festivals and conferences like
“Getting real”- are librarians able to send a contingent there? I’ll look
into it, I don’t know that a dedicated forum exists but that would be a
great idea. Check out “The D word” lots of discussion there with filmmakers.
I agree that this is a crucial topic!
Nora
Hi Nora,
Thank you for sharing your experience as a filmmaker.
Is there a forum where filmmakers are sharing this discussion,
especially one where libraries and similar organizations can track or
participate in?
Regards,
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exclusives
Hi there, as filmmakers we talk a lot of about this and I would suggest
contacting the film director / film team directly to see if they can put
pressure on Netflix - explain what you want to do with the film, they
usually push on behalf of educators, the same way It happened for 13th. I
believe the Audrie & Daisy team also got the right to show in screenings
outside of Netflix. Filmmakers usually don’t have a lot of leeway when
negotiating those deals, but we are talking about it.
Thanks for sharing your insights!
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there has been a LOT of discussion/press of Netflix not allowing their
films in THEATERS but virtually none that they and Amazon ( in many cases)
don't allow their films in libraries or to be used in classes, for research
etc, except if every student somehow had a membership. I am frustrated that
this issue has received zero attention both in the press and I think in the
film community. Sadly I can't see either of them allowing physical copies
of their titles but perhaps pressure for SOME streaming access. I am still
very concerned that streaming without either owning the stream or physical
copies is basically turning libraries into academic Netflix with no real
collection or permanent access. Overall I think I am getting too old for
this. Last night I was on a plane watching the woman next to me watch a
film on her phone. Luckily it was MAMA MIA but jeez watching a film a
screen smaller than your hand is really depressing me.
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ARGGG this makes my blood pressure go up. I tried every way I could
think of to get a DVD copy of Strong Island (I mean, it is a LOCAL story
and uses lots of local sources). No dice. Standard response about the
Netflix screening “license” which is in itself so dang problematic.
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There has been much discussion of ROMA specifically among indie theaters
and basically Netflix is only allowing shows on very short notice to
theaters and also wanting special equipment.
I would offer you the contact info for the theatrical booker but
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I'm organizing the international film series at University of Richmond
and we want to show the film Roma by Alfonso Cuarón which is coming out
soon. I read an article that said because the film is distributed by
Netflix it is getting a very limited theatrical release. I'm not sure what
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On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 1:51 PM Jessica Rosner <***@gmail.com<mailto:***@gmail.com>> wrote:
Susan
I have been involved with Art House Convergence which is a group made up of indie film folks ( theaters , distributors) and Netflix has been huge topic of late. Many of them like your screenings are willing to show films even when are streaming on Netflix but they are rebuffed. Living in NYC I actually get a chance to see Netflix films if I want because they must open NY & LA to qualify for Oscars. I went to MOMA recently to see THEY WILL LOVE ME WHEN I'M DEAD the documentary about the making of Welles OTHER SIDE OF THE WIND. Both of course are Netflix and other than a tiny number of festival and Academy shows and special shows neither will be seen by audiences en mass which is a shame. I loved watching the doc in a theater with hundreds of people. More importantly neither will able to be used (legally) in a course on Orson Welles.

Per other posts I think libraries, universities, festivals, museums , theaters etc have common interests and can hopefully work together to pressure Netflix. Do they really think allowing a class to view THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WIND or an indie theater to show THEY WILL LOVE ME WHEN I'M DEAD is going to cost them members?




On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 11:10 AM Susan Conlon <***@princetonlibrary.org<mailto:***@princetonlibrary.org>> wrote:
Hi Nora and all,

This is a really important topic.

I've organized many public screenings over the years,with a focus on documentaries. I've been frustrated for a while now about these kinds of restrictions and it seems to be getting worse.

It's interesting - if we show something that's been on Netflix or broadcast - we still get a strong turnout. The main reason, at least I like to think, is that people want to come together to have a shared experience and we can offer the value added factor of having the filmmakers or other speakers who are well-versed on the subject.

While it is not impossible to get permission to screen a new(er) film that is under contract by Netflix it has been because the filmmakers negotiated with them.

I think my main frustration is that I think everyone involved - the filmmakers, the distributors, theaters, libraries - have a common objective of getting more people to see their films.

I'll be reading this thread for thoughts on this topic...

Susan

On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 10:58 AM Nora Poggi <***@gmail.com<mailto:***@gmail.com>> wrote:
Most of the discussions happen at film festivals and conferences like “Getting real”- are librarians able to send a contingent there? I’ll look into it, I don’t know that a dedicated forum exists but that would be a great idea. Check out “The D word” lots of discussion there with filmmakers.
I agree that this is a crucial topic!
Nora

On Nov 28, 2018, at 10:54 AM, Jenemann, Laura <***@bu.edu<mailto:***@bu.edu>> wrote:
Hi Nora,

Thank you for sharing your experience as a filmmaker.

Is there a forum where filmmakers are sharing this discussion, especially one where libraries and similar organizations can track or participate in?

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From: Nora Poggi <***@gmail.com<mailto:***@gmail.com>>
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Hi there, as filmmakers we talk a lot of about this and I would suggest contacting the film director / film team directly to see if they can put pressure on Netflix - explain what you want to do with the film, they usually push on behalf of educators, the same way It happened for 13th. I believe the Audrie & Daisy team also got the right to show in screenings outside of Netflix. Filmmakers usually don’t have a lot of leeway when negotiating those deals, but we are talking about it.
Thanks for sharing your insights!

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On Nov 28, 2018, at 10:39 AM, Jessica Rosner <***@gmail.com<mailto:***@gmail.com>> wrote:
there has been a LOT of discussion/press of Netflix not allowing their films in THEATERS but virtually none that they and Amazon ( in many cases) don't allow their films in libraries or to be used in classes, for research etc, except if every student somehow had a membership. I am frustrated that this issue has received zero attention both in the press and I think in the film community. Sadly I can't see either of them allowing physical copies of their titles but perhaps pressure for SOME streaming access. I am still very concerned that streaming without either owning the stream or physical copies is basically turning libraries into academic Netflix with no real collection or permanent access. Overall I think I am getting too old for this. Last night I was on a plane watching the woman next to me watch a film on her phone. Luckily it was MAMA MIA but jeez watching a film a screen smaller than your hand is really depressing me.


On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM Sarah E. McCleskey <***@hofstra.edu<mailto:***@hofstra.edu>> wrote:
ARGGG this makes my blood pressure go up. I tried every way I could think of to get a DVD copy of Strong Island (I mean, it is a LOCAL story and uses lots of local sources). No dice. Standard response about the Netflix screening “license” which is in itself so dang problematic.

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There has been much discussion of ROMA specifically among indie theaters and basically Netflix is only allowing shows on very short notice to theaters and also wanting special equipment.

I would offer you the contact info for the theatrical booker but theaters have been adamant that they are blowing everyone off.

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On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 10:03 AM Fair, Molly <***@richmond.edu<mailto:***@richmond.edu>> wrote:

Hi all,

I'm organizing the international film series at University of Richmond and we want to show the film Roma by Alfonso Cuarón which is coming out soon. I read an article that said because the film is distributed by Netflix it is getting a very limited theatrical release. I'm not sure what this will mean for non-theatrical screenings. As you are probably familiar- Netflix does allow screenings of some documentaries, but does not seem to have a policy for narrative features. Does anyone have any direct contact info for Netflix reps who handle these questions? I'm not looking for a general phone number- I already tried that with no success. So far I managed to find email contacts for people who handle press inquiries for the film over at Netflix but that's all. Thanks for any info you can provide.

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I have been involved with Art House Convergence which is a group made up
of indie film folks ( theaters , distributors) and Netflix has been huge
topic of late. Many of them like your screenings are willing to show films
even when are streaming on Netflix but they are rebuffed. Living in NYC I
actually get a chance to see Netflix films if I want because they must open
NY & LA to qualify for Oscars. I went to MOMA recently to see THEY WILL
LOVE ME WHEN I'M DEAD the documentary about the making of Welles OTHER SIDE
OF THE WIND. Both of course are Netflix and other than a tiny number of
festival and Academy shows and special shows neither will be seen by
audiences en mass which is a shame. I loved watching the doc in a theater
with hundreds of people. More importantly neither will able to be used
(legally) in a course on Orson Welles.
Per other posts I think libraries, universities, festivals, museums ,
theaters etc have common interests and can hopefully work together to
pressure Netflix. Do they really think allowing a class to view THE OTHER
SIDE OF THE WIND or an indie theater to show THEY WILL LOVE ME WHEN I'M
DEAD is going to cost them members?
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Hi Nora and all,
This is a really important topic.
I've organized many public screenings over the years,with a focus on
documentaries. I've been frustrated for a while now about these kinds of
restrictions and it seems to be getting worse.
It's interesting - if we show something that's been on Netflix or
broadcast - we still get a strong turnout. The main reason, at least I like
to think, is that people want to come together to have a shared experience
and we can offer the value added factor of having the filmmakers or other
speakers who are well-versed on the subject.
While it is not impossible to get permission to screen a new(er) film that
is under contract by Netflix it has been because the filmmakers negotiated
with them.
I think my main frustration is that I think everyone involved - the
filmmakers, the distributors, theaters, libraries - have a common objective
of getting more people to see their films.
I'll be reading this thread for thoughts on this topic...
Susan
Most of the discussions happen at film festivals and conferences like
“Getting real”- are librarians able to send a contingent there? I’ll look
into it, I don’t know that a dedicated forum exists but that would be a
great idea. Check out “The D word” lots of discussion there with filmmakers.
I agree that this is a crucial topic!
Nora
Hi Nora,
Thank you for sharing your experience as a filmmaker.
Is there a forum where filmmakers are sharing this discussion, especially
one where libraries and similar organizations can track or participate in?
Regards,
Laura
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*Subject: *Re: [videolib] non-theatrical film screenings of Netflix
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Hi there, as filmmakers we talk a lot of about this and I would suggest
contacting the film director / film team directly to see if they can put
pressure on Netflix - explain what you want to do with the film, they
usually push on behalf of educators, the same way It happened for 13th. I
believe the Audrie & Daisy team also got the right to show in screenings
outside of Netflix. Filmmakers usually don’t have a lot of leeway when
negotiating those deals, but we are talking about it.
Thanks for sharing your insights!
Nora
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there has been a LOT of discussion/press of Netflix not allowing their
films in THEATERS but virtually none that they and Amazon ( in many cases)
don't allow their films in libraries or to be used in classes, for research
etc, except if every student somehow had a membership. I am frustrated that
this issue has received zero attention both in the press and I think in the
film community. Sadly I can't see either of them allowing physical copies
of their titles but perhaps pressure for SOME streaming access. I am still
very concerned that streaming without either owning the stream or physical
copies is basically turning libraries into academic Netflix with no real
collection or permanent access. Overall I think I am getting too old for
this. Last night I was on a plane watching the woman next to me watch a
film on her phone. Luckily it was MAMA MIA but jeez watching a film a
screen smaller than your hand is really depressing me.
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ARGGG this makes my blood pressure go up. I tried every way I could think
of to get a DVD copy of Strong Island (I mean, it is a LOCAL story and uses
lots of local sources). No dice. Standard response about the Netflix
screening “license” which is in itself so dang problematic.
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Netflix never allows any non theatrical screenings of any of its films.
They have allowed limited screenings at festivals of some films, I have
never in fact heard of them allowing non theatrical screenings of
documentaries except for highly specialized cases like '13" where the
director pressured them.
There has been much discussion of ROMA specifically among indie theaters
and basically Netflix is only allowing shows on very short notice to
theaters and also wanting special equipment.
I would offer you the contact info for the theatrical booker but theaters
have been adamant that they are blowing everyone off.
Here is one fun article that was posted.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/14/movies/netflix-ballad-of-buster-scruggs.html
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Hi all,
I'm organizing the international film series at University of Richmond and
we want to show the film Roma by Alfonso Cuarón which is coming out soon. I
read an article that said because the film is distributed by Netflix it is
getting a very limited theatrical release. I'm not sure what this will
mean for non-theatrical screenings. As you are probably familiar- Netflix
does allow screenings of some documentaries, but does not seem to have a
policy for narrative features. Does anyone have any direct contact info for
Netflix reps who handle these questions? I'm not looking for a general
phone number- I already tried that with no success. So far I managed to
find email contacts for people who handle press inquiries for the film over
at Netflix but that's all. Thanks for any info you can provide.
best,
Molly Fair
Film Librarian
University of Richmond
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I have been involved with Art House Convergence which is a group made up
of indie film folks ( theaters , distributors) and Netflix has been huge
topic of late. Many of them like your screenings are willing to show films
even when are streaming on Netflix but they are rebuffed. Living in NYC I
actually get a chance to see Netflix films if I want because they must open
NY & LA to qualify for Oscars. I went to MOMA recently to see THEY WILL
LOVE ME WHEN I'M DEAD the documentary about the making of Welles OTHER SIDE
OF THE WIND. Both of course are Netflix and other than a tiny number of
festival and Academy shows and special shows neither will be seen by
audiences en mass which is a shame. I loved watching the doc in a theater
with hundreds of people. More importantly neither will able to be used
(legally) in a course on Orson Welles.
Per other posts I think libraries, universities, festivals, museums ,
theaters etc have common interests and can hopefully work together to
pressure Netflix. Do they really think allowing a class to view THE OTHER
SIDE OF THE WIND or an indie theater to show THEY WILL LOVE ME WHEN I'M
DEAD is going to cost them members?
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Hi Nora and all,
This is a really important topic.
I've organized many public screenings over the years,with a focus on
documentaries. I've been frustrated for a while now about these kinds of
restrictions and it seems to be getting worse.
It's interesting - if we show something that's been on Netflix or
broadcast - we still get a strong turnout. The main reason, at least I like
to think, is that people want to come together to have a shared experience
and we can offer the value added factor of having the filmmakers or other
speakers who are well-versed on the subject.
While it is not impossible to get permission to screen a new(er) film that
is under contract by Netflix it has been because the filmmakers negotiated
with them.
I think my main frustration is that I think everyone involved - the
filmmakers, the distributors, theaters, libraries - have a common objective
of getting more people to see their films.
I'll be reading this thread for thoughts on this topic...
Susan
Most of the discussions happen at film festivals and conferences like
“Getting real”- are librarians able to send a contingent there? I’ll look
into it, I don’t know that a dedicated forum exists but that would be a
great idea. Check out “The D word” lots of discussion there with filmmakers.
I agree that this is a crucial topic!
Nora
Hi Nora,
Thank you for sharing your experience as a filmmaker.
Is there a forum where filmmakers are sharing this discussion, especially
one where libraries and similar organizations can track or participate in?
Regards,
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*Subject: *Re: [videolib] non-theatrical film screenings of Netflix
exclusives
Hi there, as filmmakers we talk a lot of about this and I would suggest
contacting the film director / film team directly to see if they can put
pressure on Netflix - explain what you want to do with the film, they
usually push on behalf of educators, the same way It happened for 13th. I
believe the Audrie & Daisy team also got the right to show in screenings
outside of Netflix. Filmmakers usually don’t have a lot of leeway when
negotiating those deals, but we are talking about it.
Thanks for sharing your insights!
Nora
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films in THEATERS but virtually none that they and Amazon ( in many cases)
don't allow their films in libraries or to be used in classes, for research
etc, except if every student somehow had a membership. I am frustrated that
this issue has received zero attention both in the press and I think in the
film community. Sadly I can't see either of them allowing physical copies
of their titles but perhaps pressure for SOME streaming access. I am still
very concerned that streaming without either owning the stream or physical
copies is basically turning libraries into academic Netflix with no real
collection or permanent access. Overall I think I am getting too old for
this. Last night I was on a plane watching the woman next to me watch a
film on her phone. Luckily it was MAMA MIA but jeez watching a film a
screen smaller than your hand is really depressing me.
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ARGGG this makes my blood pressure go up. I tried every way I could think
of to get a DVD copy of Strong Island (I mean, it is a LOCAL story and uses
lots of local sources). No dice. Standard response about the Netflix
screening “license” which is in itself so dang problematic.
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Netflix never allows any non theatrical screenings of any of its films.
They have allowed limited screenings at festivals of some films, I have
never in fact heard of them allowing non theatrical screenings of
documentaries except for highly specialized cases like '13" where the
director pressured them.
There has been much discussion of ROMA specifically among indie theaters
and basically Netflix is only allowing shows on very short notice to
theaters and also wanting special equipment.
I would offer you the contact info for the theatrical booker but theaters
have been adamant that they are blowing everyone off.
Here is one fun article that was posted.
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Hi all,
I'm organizing the international film series at University of Richmond and
we want to show the film Roma by Alfonso Cuarón which is coming out soon. I
read an article that said because the film is distributed by Netflix it is
getting a very limited theatrical release. I'm not sure what this will
mean for non-theatrical screenings. As you are probably familiar- Netflix
does allow screenings of some documentaries, but does not seem to have a
policy for narrative features. Does anyone have any direct contact info for
Netflix reps who handle these questions? I'm not looking for a general
phone number- I already tried that with no success. So far I managed to
find email contacts for people who handle press inquiries for the film over
at Netflix but that's all. Thanks for any info you can provide.
best,
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I have been involved with Art House Convergence which is a group made up
of indie film folks ( theaters , distributors) and Netflix has been huge
topic of late. Many of them like your screenings are willing to show films
even when are streaming on Netflix but they are rebuffed. Living in NYC I
actually get a chance to see Netflix films if I want because they must open
NY & LA to qualify for Oscars. I went to MOMA recently to see THEY WILL
LOVE ME WHEN I'M DEAD the documentary about the making of Welles OTHER SIDE
OF THE WIND. Both of course are Netflix and other than a tiny number of
festival and Academy shows and special shows neither will be seen by
audiences en mass which is a shame. I loved watching the doc in a theater
with hundreds of people. More importantly neither will able to be used
(legally) in a course on Orson Welles.
Per other posts I think libraries, universities, festivals, museums ,
theaters etc have common interests and can hopefully work together to
pressure Netflix. Do they really think allowing a class to view THE OTHER
SIDE OF THE WIND or an indie theater to show THEY WILL LOVE ME WHEN I'M
DEAD is going to cost them members?
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Hi Nora and all,
This is a really important topic.
I've organized many public screenings over the years,with a focus on
documentaries. I've been frustrated for a while now about these kinds of
restrictions and it seems to be getting worse.
It's interesting - if we show something that's been on Netflix or
broadcast - we still get a strong turnout. The main reason, at least I like
to think, is that people want to come together to have a shared experience
and we can offer the value added factor of having the filmmakers or other
speakers who are well-versed on the subject.
While it is not impossible to get permission to screen a new(er) film
that is under contract by Netflix it has been because the filmmakers
negotiated with them.
I think my main frustration is that I think everyone involved - the
filmmakers, the distributors, theaters, libraries - have a common objective
of getting more people to see their films.
I'll be reading this thread for thoughts on this topic...
Susan
Most of the discussions happen at film festivals and conferences like
“Getting real”- are librarians able to send a contingent there? I’ll look
into it, I don’t know that a dedicated forum exists but that would be a
great idea. Check out “The D word” lots of discussion there with filmmakers.
I agree that this is a crucial topic!
Nora
Hi Nora,
Thank you for sharing your experience as a filmmaker.
Is there a forum where filmmakers are sharing this discussion, especially
one where libraries and similar organizations can track or participate in?
Regards,
Laura
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Hi there, as filmmakers we talk a lot of about this and I would suggest
contacting the film director / film team directly to see if they can put
pressure on Netflix - explain what you want to do with the film, they
usually push on behalf of educators, the same way It happened for 13th. I
believe the Audrie & Daisy team also got the right to show in screenings
outside of Netflix. Filmmakers usually don’t have a lot of leeway when
negotiating those deals, but we are talking about it.
Thanks for sharing your insights!
Nora
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films in THEATERS but virtually none that they and Amazon ( in many cases)
don't allow their films in libraries or to be used in classes, for research
etc, except if every student somehow had a membership. I am frustrated that
this issue has received zero attention both in the press and I think in the
film community. Sadly I can't see either of them allowing physical copies
of their titles but perhaps pressure for SOME streaming access. I am still
very concerned that streaming without either owning the stream or physical
copies is basically turning libraries into academic Netflix with no real
collection or permanent access. Overall I think I am getting too old for
this. Last night I was on a plane watching the woman next to me watch a
film on her phone. Luckily it was MAMA MIA but jeez watching a film a
screen smaller than your hand is really depressing me.
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ARGGG this makes my blood pressure go up. I tried every way I could think
of to get a DVD copy of Strong Island (I mean, it is a LOCAL story and uses
lots of local sources). No dice. Standard response about the Netflix
screening “license” which is in itself so dang problematic.
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Netflix never allows any non theatrical screenings of any of its films.
They have allowed limited screenings at festivals of some films, I have
never in fact heard of them allowing non theatrical screenings of
documentaries except for highly specialized cases like '13" where the
director pressured them.
There has been much discussion of ROMA specifically among indie theaters
and basically Netflix is only allowing shows on very short notice to
theaters and also wanting special equipment.
I would offer you the contact info for the theatrical booker but
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Hi all,
I'm organizing the international film series at University of Richmond
and we want to show the film Roma by Alfonso Cuarón which is coming out
soon. I read an article that said because the film is distributed by
Netflix it is getting a very limited theatrical release. I'm not sure what
this will mean for non-theatrical screenings. As you are probably familiar-
Netflix does allow screenings of some documentaries, but does not seem to
have a policy for narrative features. Does anyone have any direct contact
info for Netflix reps who handle these questions? I'm not looking for a
general phone number- I already tried that with no success. So far I
managed to find email contacts for people who handle press inquiries for
the film over at Netflix but that's all. Thanks for any info you can
provide.
best,
Molly Fair
Film Librarian
University of Richmond
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[Nancy E. Friedland]

I am writing to this collective group to share my experience at AMIA -- I
spoke this past Thursday on streaming video. The talk was well-attended and
generated good questions and interest. Most importantly -- there is genuine
interest in keeping this discussion active and moving forward with defined
goals -- within all interested associations and groups.

I also had the pleasure of meeting Molly!

I would like to help organize a more organized focus discussion/action
group on this subject - to help bring together these disparate discussions
-- with larger goals in mind -- talks with aggregators, filmmakers,
distributors, etc.

Anyone else interested?

Here is the abstract to my talk -- grounded in the point of view of impact
on media collections and film studies.

Academic research libraries include in their mission statement the desire
to collect materials in multiple formats to support the teaching and
learning activities of their institution. With the advent of the
videocassette and later DVD format in the early 2000s, libraries collected
film content in a traditional model of acquiring a tangible object, the
right of first sale, and traditional practices of cataloging, preserving,
and making these items accessible through loan or in library use.
Simultaneously, film studies programs grew at a rapid pace. There was a
growth in the scholarly output as researchers had access to the object of
study in this non-print format. Today, libraries are faced with numerous
challenges in the “collecting” of streaming film content, the latest in a
continued format evolution for moving images intended for either the large
or small screen. The most important factor in this new format is the
support of film studies on both the undergraduate and graduate levels.
Expectations for streaming video by students and faculty are at an
unsurprisingly all-time high but the actual content required for research
and instruction is not as available compared to what libraries were able
(and continue) to collect in DVD format. This paper will examine
large-scale and niche services and the sustainability of this format, the
challenges of Netflix and the lack of educational license for in-demand
content, the long term preservation of commercially accessible moving image
content, cost, and examine the essential question of how this new format
change will impact the current and future study of film.

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You got it!
Carleton L. Jackson
Head Library Media Services
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Wow but that platform looks super familiar. !!!
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Susan
I have been involved with Art House Convergence which is a group made up
of indie film folks ( theaters , distributors) and Netflix has been huge
topic of late. Many of them like your screenings are willing to show films
even when are streaming on Netflix but they are rebuffed. Living in NYC I
actually get a chance to see Netflix films if I want because they must open
NY & LA to qualify for Oscars. I went to MOMA recently to see THEY WILL
LOVE ME WHEN I'M DEAD the documentary about the making of Welles OTHER SIDE
OF THE WIND. Both of course are Netflix and other than a tiny number of
festival and Academy shows and special shows neither will be seen by
audiences en mass which is a shame. I loved watching the doc in a theater
with hundreds of people. More importantly neither will able to be used
(legally) in a course on Orson Welles.
Per other posts I think libraries, universities, festivals, museums ,
theaters etc have common interests and can hopefully work together to
pressure Netflix. Do they really think allowing a class to view THE OTHER
SIDE OF THE WIND or an indie theater to show THEY WILL LOVE ME WHEN I'M
DEAD is going to cost them members?
On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 11:10 AM Susan Conlon <
Hi Nora and all,
This is a really important topic.
I've organized many public screenings over the years,with a focus on
documentaries. I've been frustrated for a while now about these kinds of
restrictions and it seems to be getting worse.
It's interesting - if we show something that's been on Netflix or
broadcast - we still get a strong turnout. The main reason, at least I like
to think, is that people want to come together to have a shared experience
and we can offer the value added factor of having the filmmakers or other
speakers who are well-versed on the subject.
While it is not impossible to get permission to screen a new(er) film
that is under contract by Netflix it has been because the filmmakers
negotiated with them.
I think my main frustration is that I think everyone involved - the
filmmakers, the distributors, theaters, libraries - have a common objective
of getting more people to see their films.
I'll be reading this thread for thoughts on this topic...
Susan
Most of the discussions happen at film festivals and conferences like
“Getting real”- are librarians able to send a contingent there? I’ll look
into it, I don’t know that a dedicated forum exists but that would be a
great idea. Check out “The D word” lots of discussion there with filmmakers.
I agree that this is a crucial topic!
Nora
Hi Nora,
Thank you for sharing your experience as a filmmaker.
Is there a forum where filmmakers are sharing this discussion,
especially one where libraries and similar organizations can track or
participate in?
Regards,
Laura
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*Date: *Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 10:50 AM
*Subject: *Re: [videolib] non-theatrical film screenings of Netflix
exclusives
Hi there, as filmmakers we talk a lot of about this and I would suggest
contacting the film director / film team directly to see if they can put
pressure on Netflix - explain what you want to do with the film, they
usually push on behalf of educators, the same way It happened for 13th. I
believe the Audrie & Daisy team also got the right to show in screenings
outside of Netflix. Filmmakers usually don’t have a lot of leeway when
negotiating those deals, but we are talking about it.
Thanks for sharing your insights!
Nora
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there has been a LOT of discussion/press of Netflix not allowing their
films in THEATERS but virtually none that they and Amazon ( in many cases)
don't allow their films in libraries or to be used in classes, for research
etc, except if every student somehow had a membership. I am frustrated that
this issue has received zero attention both in the press and I think in the
film community. Sadly I can't see either of them allowing physical copies
of their titles but perhaps pressure for SOME streaming access. I am still
very concerned that streaming without either owning the stream or physical
copies is basically turning libraries into academic Netflix with no real
collection or permanent access. Overall I think I am getting too old for
this. Last night I was on a plane watching the woman next to me watch a
film on her phone. Luckily it was MAMA MIA but jeez watching a film a
screen smaller than your hand is really depressing me.
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ARGGG this makes my blood pressure go up. I tried every way I could
think of to get a DVD copy of Strong Island (I mean, it is a LOCAL story
and uses lots of local sources). No dice. Standard response about the
Netflix screening “license” which is in itself so dang problematic.
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Netflix never allows any non theatrical screenings of any of its films.
They have allowed limited screenings at festivals of some films, I have
never in fact heard of them allowing non theatrical screenings of
documentaries except for highly specialized cases like '13" where the
director pressured them.
There has been much discussion of ROMA specifically among indie theaters
and basically Netflix is only allowing shows on very short notice to
theaters and also wanting special equipment.
I would offer you the contact info for the theatrical booker but
theaters have been adamant that they are blowing everyone off.
Here is one fun article that was posted.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/14/movies/netflix-ballad-of-buster-scruggs.html
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Hi all,
I'm organizing the international film series at University of Richmond
and we want to show the film Roma by Alfonso Cuarón which is coming out
soon. I read an article that said because the film is distributed by
Netflix it is getting a very limited theatrical release. I'm not sure what
this will mean for non-theatrical screenings. As you are probably familiar-
Netflix does allow screenings of some documentaries, but does not seem to
have a policy for narrative features. Does anyone have any direct contact
info for Netflix reps who handle these questions? I'm not looking for a
general phone number- I already tried that with no success. So far I
managed to find email contacts for people who handle press inquiries for
the film over at Netflix but that's all. Thanks for any info you can
provide.
best,
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University of Richmond
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[Seay, Jared Alexander]

I am very interested. Please put me on your list or rolodex (ancient technology reference – older even than VHS).

Jared Alexander Seay
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From: Nancy E. Friedland [mailto:***@columbia.edu]
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2018 8:58 PM
To: ***@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [videolib] non-theatrical film screenings of Netflix exclusives

I am writing to this collective group to share my experience at AMIA -- I spoke this past Thursday on streaming video. The talk was well-attended and generated good questions and interest. Most importantly -- there is genuine interest in keeping this discussion active and moving forward with defined goals -- within all interested associations and groups.

I also had the pleasure of meeting Molly!

I would like to help organize a more organized focus discussion/action group on this subject - to help bring together these disparate discussions -- with larger goals in mind -- talks with aggregators, filmmakers, distributors, etc.

Anyone else interested?

Here is the abstract to my talk -- grounded in the point of view of impact on media collections and film studies.

Academic research libraries include in their mission statement the desire to collect materials in multiple formats to support the teaching and learning activities of their institution. With the advent of the videocassette and later DVD format in the early 2000s, libraries collected film content in a traditional model of acquiring a tangible object, the right of first sale, and traditional practices of cataloging, preserving, and making these items accessible through loan or in library use. Simultaneously, film studies programs grew at a rapid pace. There was a growth in the scholarly output as researchers had access to the object of study in this non-print format. Today, libraries are faced with numerous challenges in the “collecting” of streaming film content, the latest in a continued format evolution for moving images intended for either the large or small screen. The most important factor in this new format is the support of film studies on both the undergraduate and graduate levels. Expectations for streaming video by students and faculty are at an unsurprisingly all-time high but the actual content required for research and instruction is not as available compared to what libraries were able (and continue) to collect in DVD format. This paper will examine large-scale and niche services and the sustainability of this format, the challenges of Netflix and the lack of educational license for in-demand content, the long term preservation of commercially accessible moving image content, cost, and examine the essential question of how this new format change will impact the current and future study of film.



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On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 1:51 PM Jessica Rosner <***@gmail.com<mailto:***@gmail.com>> wrote:
Susan
I have been involved with Art House Convergence which is a group made up of indie film folks ( theaters , distributors) and Netflix has been huge topic of late. Many of them like your screenings are willing to show films even when are streaming on Netflix but they are rebuffed. Living in NYC I actually get a chance to see Netflix films if I want because they must open NY & LA to qualify for Oscars. I went to MOMA recently to see THEY WILL LOVE ME WHEN I'M DEAD the documentary about the making of Welles OTHER SIDE OF THE WIND. Both of course are Netflix and other than a tiny number of festival and Academy shows and special shows neither will be seen by audiences en mass which is a shame. I loved watching the doc in a theater with hundreds of people. More importantly neither will able to be used (legally) in a course on Orson Welles.

Per other posts I think libraries, universities, festivals, museums , theaters etc have common interests and can hopefully work together to pressure Netflix. Do they really think allowing a class to view THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WIND or an indie theater to show THEY WILL LOVE ME WHEN I'M DEAD is going to cost them members?




On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 11:10 AM Susan Conlon <***@princetonlibrary.org<mailto:***@princetonlibrary.org>> wrote:
Hi Nora and all,

This is a really important topic.

I've organized many public screenings over the years,with a focus on documentaries. I've been frustrated for a while now about these kinds of restrictions and it seems to be getting worse.

It's interesting - if we show something that's been on Netflix or broadcast - we still get a strong turnout. The main reason, at least I like to think, is that people want to come together to have a shared experience and we can offer the value added factor of having the filmmakers or other speakers who are well-versed on the subject.

While it is not impossible to get permission to screen a new(er) film that is under contract by Netflix it has been because the filmmakers negotiated with them.

I think my main frustration is that I think everyone involved - the filmmakers, the distributors, theaters, libraries - have a common objective of getting more people to see their films.

I'll be reading this thread for thoughts on this topic...

Susan

On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 10:58 AM Nora Poggi <***@gmail.com<mailto:***@gmail.com>> wrote:
Most of the discussions happen at film festivals and conferences like “Getting real”- are librarians able to send a contingent there? I’ll look into it, I don’t know that a dedicated forum exists but that would be a great idea. Check out “The D word” lots of discussion there with filmmakers.
I agree that this is a crucial topic!
Nora

On Nov 28, 2018, at 10:54 AM, Jenemann, Laura <***@bu.edu<mailto:***@bu.edu>> wrote:
Hi Nora,

Thank you for sharing your experience as a filmmaker.

Is there a forum where filmmakers are sharing this discussion, especially one where libraries and similar organizations can track or participate in?

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Hi there, as filmmakers we talk a lot of about this and I would suggest contacting the film director / film team directly to see if they can put pressure on Netflix - explain what you want to do with the film, they usually push on behalf of educators, the same way It happened for 13th. I believe the Audrie & Daisy team also got the right to show in screenings outside of Netflix. Filmmakers usually don’t have a lot of leeway when negotiating those deals, but we are talking about it.
Thanks for sharing your insights!

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On Nov 28, 2018, at 10:39 AM, Jessica Rosner <***@gmail.com<mailto:***@gmail.com>> wrote:
there has been a LOT of discussion/press of Netflix not allowing their films in THEATERS but virtually none that they and Amazon ( in many cases) don't allow their films in libraries or to be used in classes, for research etc, except if every student somehow had a membership. I am frustrated that this issue has received zero attention both in the press and I think in the film community. Sadly I can't see either of them allowing physical copies of their titles but perhaps pressure for SOME streaming access. I am still very concerned that streaming without either owning the stream or physical copies is basically turning libraries into academic Netflix with no real collection or permanent access. Overall I think I am getting too old for this. Last night I was on a plane watching the woman next to me watch a film on her phone. Luckily it was MAMA MIA but jeez watching a film a screen smaller than your hand is really depressing me.


On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM Sarah E. McCleskey <***@hofstra.edu<mailto:***@hofstra.edu>> wrote:
ARGGG this makes my blood pressure go up. I tried every way I could think of to get a DVD copy of Strong Island (I mean, it is a LOCAL story and uses lots of local sources). No dice. Standard response about the Netflix screening “license” which is in itself so dang problematic.

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There has been much discussion of ROMA specifically among indie theaters and basically Netflix is only allowing shows on very short notice to theaters and also wanting special equipment.

I would offer you the contact info for the theatrical booker but theaters have been adamant that they are blowing everyone off.

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On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 10:03 AM Fair, Molly <***@richmond.edu<mailto:***@richmond.edu>> wrote:

Hi all,

I'm organizing the international film series at University of Richmond and we want to show the film Roma by Alfonso Cuarón which is coming out soon. I read an article that said because the film is distributed by Netflix it is getting a very limited theatrical release. I'm not sure what this will mean for non-theatrical screenings. As you are probably familiar- Netflix does allow screenings of some documentaries, but does not seem to have a policy for narrative features. Does anyone have any direct contact info for Netflix reps who handle these questions? I'm not looking for a general phone number- I already tried that with no success. So far I managed to find email contacts for people who handle press inquiries for the film over at Netflix but that's all. Thanks for any info you can provide.

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In the name of all that's holy, please keep discussing this on videolib!!!!
I think we're all pretty much SUPER INTERESTED in this topic!!!

Post by Seay, Jared Alexander
I am very interested. Please put me on your list or rolodex (ancient
technology reference – older even than VHS).
Jared Alexander Seay
Research Librarian
Media Services Coordinator
Research & Instruction Dept.
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*Sent:* Saturday, December 01, 2018 8:58 PM
*Subject:* Re: [videolib] non-theatrical film screenings of Netflix
exclusives
I am writing to this collective group to share my experience at AMIA -- I
spoke this past Thursday on streaming video. The talk was well-attended and
generated good questions and interest. Most importantly -- there is genuine
interest in keeping this discussion active and moving forward with defined
goals -- within all interested associations and groups.
I also had the pleasure of meeting Molly!
I would like to help organize a more organized focus discussion/action
group on this subject - to help bring together these disparate discussions
-- with larger goals in mind -- talks with aggregators, filmmakers,
distributors, etc.
Anyone else interested?
Here is the abstract to my talk -- grounded in the point of view of impact
on media collections and film studies.
Academic research libraries include in their mission statement the desire
to collect materials in multiple formats to support the teaching and
learning activities of their institution. With the advent of the
videocassette and later DVD format in the early 2000s, libraries collected
film content in a traditional model of acquiring a tangible object, the
right of first sale, and traditional practices of cataloging, preserving,
and making these items accessible through loan or in library use.
Simultaneously, film studies programs grew at a rapid pace. There was a
growth in the scholarly output as researchers had access to the object of
study in this non-print format. Today, libraries are faced with numerous
challenges in the “collecting” of streaming film content, the latest in a
continued format evolution for moving images intended for either the large
or small screen. The most important factor in this new format is the
support of film studies on both the undergraduate and graduate levels.
Expectations for streaming video by students and faculty are at an
unsurprisingly all-time high but the actual content required for research
and instruction is not as available compared to what libraries were able
(and continue) to collect in DVD format. This paper will examine
large-scale and niche services and the sustainability of this format, the
challenges of Netflix and the lack of educational license for in-demand
content, the long term preservation of commercially accessible moving image
content, cost, and examine the essential question of how this new format
change will impact the current and future study of film.
You got it!
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Wow but that platform looks super familiar. !!!
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I have been involved with Art House Convergence which is a group made up
of indie film folks ( theaters , distributors) and Netflix has been huge
topic of late. Many of them like your screenings are willing to show films
even when are streaming on Netflix but they are rebuffed. Living in NYC I
actually get a chance to see Netflix films if I want because they must open
NY & LA to qualify for Oscars. I went to MOMA recently to see THEY WILL
LOVE ME WHEN I'M DEAD the documentary about the making of Welles OTHER SIDE
OF THE WIND. Both of course are Netflix and other than a tiny number of
festival and Academy shows and special shows neither will be seen by
audiences en mass which is a shame. I loved watching the doc in a theater
with hundreds of people. More importantly neither will able to be used
(legally) in a course on Orson Welles.
Per other posts I think libraries, universities, festivals, museums ,
theaters etc have common interests and can hopefully work together to
pressure Netflix. Do they really think allowing a class to view THE OTHER
SIDE OF THE WIND or an indie theater to show THEY WILL LOVE ME WHEN I'M
DEAD is going to cost them members?
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Hi Nora and all,
This is a really important topic.
I've organized many public screenings over the years,with a focus on
documentaries. I've been frustrated for a while now about these kinds of
restrictions and it seems to be getting worse.
It's interesting - if we show something that's been on Netflix or
broadcast - we still get a strong turnout. The main reason, at least I like
to think, is that people want to come together to have a shared experience
and we can offer the value added factor of having the filmmakers or other
speakers who are well-versed on the subject.
While it is not impossible to get permission to screen a new(er) film that
is under contract by Netflix it has been because the filmmakers negotiated
with them.
I think my main frustration is that I think everyone involved - the
filmmakers, the distributors, theaters, libraries - have a common objective
of getting more people to see their films.
I'll be reading this thread for thoughts on this topic...
Susan
Most of the discussions happen at film festivals and conferences like
“Getting real”- are librarians able to send a contingent there? I’ll look
into it, I don’t know that a dedicated forum exists but that would be a
great idea. Check out “The D word” lots of discussion there with filmmakers.
I agree that this is a crucial topic!
Nora
Hi Nora,
Thank you for sharing your experience as a filmmaker.
Is there a forum where filmmakers are sharing this discussion, especially
one where libraries and similar organizations can track or participate in?
Regards,
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*Subject: *Re: [videolib] non-theatrical film screenings of Netflix
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Hi there, as filmmakers we talk a lot of about this and I would suggest
contacting the film director / film team directly to see if they can put
pressure on Netflix - explain what you want to do with the film, they
usually push on behalf of educators, the same way It happened for 13th. I
believe the Audrie & Daisy team also got the right to show in screenings
outside of Netflix. Filmmakers usually don’t have a lot of leeway when
negotiating those deals, but we are talking about it.
Thanks for sharing your insights!
Nora
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there has been a LOT of discussion/press of Netflix not allowing their
films in THEATERS but virtually none that they and Amazon ( in many cases)
don't allow their films in libraries or to be used in classes, for research
etc, except if every student somehow had a membership. I am frustrated that
this issue has received zero attention both in the press and I think in the
film community. Sadly I can't see either of them allowing physical copies
of their titles but perhaps pressure for SOME streaming access. I am still
very concerned that streaming without either owning the stream or physical
copies is basically turning libraries into academic Netflix with no real
collection or permanent access. Overall I think I am getting too old for
this. Last night I was on a plane watching the woman next to me watch a
film on her phone. Luckily it was MAMA MIA but jeez watching a film a
screen smaller than your hand is really depressing me.
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ARGGG this makes my blood pressure go up. I tried every way I could think
of to get a DVD copy of Strong Island (I mean, it is a LOCAL story and uses
lots of local sources). No dice. Standard response about the Netflix
screening “license” which is in itself so dang problematic.
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Netflix never allows any non theatrical screenings of any of its films.
They have allowed limited screenings at festivals of some films, I have
never in fact heard of them allowing non theatrical screenings of
documentaries except for highly specialized cases like '13" where the
director pressured them.
There has been much discussion of ROMA specifically among indie theaters
and basically Netflix is only allowing shows on very short notice to
theaters and also wanting special equipment.
I would offer you the contact info for the theatrical booker but theaters
have been adamant that they are blowing everyone off.
Here is one fun article that was posted.
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Hi all,
I'm organizing the international film series at University of Richmond and
we want to show the film Roma by Alfonso Cuarón which is coming out soon. I
read an article that said because the film is distributed by Netflix it is
getting a very limited theatrical release. I'm not sure what this will
mean for non-theatrical screenings. As you are probably familiar- Netflix
does allow screenings of some documentaries, but does not seem to have a
policy for narrative features. Does anyone have any direct contact info for
Netflix reps who handle these questions? I'm not looking for a general
phone number- I already tried that with no success. So far I managed to
find email contacts for people who handle press inquiries for the film over
at Netflix but that's all. Thanks for any info you can provide.
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I think one important thing is try to get as much public awareness as
possible of this dire issue. Netflix is very good at press and while some
artilcles focus on their films not being available to theaters the fact
that they can't be used in education has literally never been mentionned
that I know of.

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In the name of all that's holy, please keep discussing this on
videolib!!!! I think we're all pretty much SUPER INTERESTED in this topic!!!

Post by Seay, Jared Alexander
I am very interested. Please put me on your list or rolodex (ancient
technology reference – older even than VHS).
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*Subject:* Re: [videolib] non-theatrical film screenings of Netflix
exclusives
I am writing to this collective group to share my experience at AMIA -- I
spoke this past Thursday on streaming video. The talk was well-attended and
generated good questions and interest. Most importantly -- there is genuine
interest in keeping this discussion active and moving forward with defined
goals -- within all interested associations and groups.
I also had the pleasure of meeting Molly!
I would like to help organize a more organized focus discussion/action
group on this subject - to help bring together these disparate discussions
-- with larger goals in mind -- talks with aggregators, filmmakers,
distributors, etc.
Anyone else interested?
Here is the abstract to my talk -- grounded in the point of view of
impact on media collections and film studies.
Academic research libraries include in their mission statement the desire
to collect materials in multiple formats to support the teaching and
learning activities of their institution. With the advent of the
videocassette and later DVD format in the early 2000s, libraries collected
film content in a traditional model of acquiring a tangible object, the
right of first sale, and traditional practices of cataloging, preserving,
and making these items accessible through loan or in library use.
Simultaneously, film studies programs grew at a rapid pace. There was a
growth in the scholarly output as researchers had access to the object of
study in this non-print format. Today, libraries are faced with numerous
challenges in the “collecting” of streaming film content, the latest in a
continued format evolution for moving images intended for either the large
or small screen. The most important factor in this new format is the
support of film studies on both the undergraduate and graduate levels.
Expectations for streaming video by students and faculty are at an
unsurprisingly all-time high but the actual content required for research
and instruction is not as available compared to what libraries were able
(and continue) to collect in DVD format. This paper will examine
large-scale and niche services and the sustainability of this format, the
challenges of Netflix and the lack of educational license for in-demand
content, the long term preservation of commercially accessible moving image
content, cost, and examine the essential question of how this new format
change will impact the current and future study of film.
You got it!
Carleton L. Jackson
Head Library Media Services
0300 R. Lee Hornbake Library
4130 Campus Drive, University of Maryland
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Susan
I have been involved with Art House Convergence which is a group made up
of indie film folks ( theaters , distributors) and Netflix has been huge
topic of late. Many of them like your screenings are willing to show films
even when are streaming on Netflix but they are rebuffed. Living in NYC I
actually get a chance to see Netflix films if I want because they must open
NY & LA to qualify for Oscars. I went to MOMA recently to see THEY WILL
LOVE ME WHEN I'M DEAD the documentary about the making of Welles OTHER SIDE
OF THE WIND. Both of course are Netflix and other than a tiny number of
festival and Academy shows and special shows neither will be seen by
audiences en mass which is a shame. I loved watching the doc in a theater
with hundreds of people. More importantly neither will able to be used
(legally) in a course on Orson Welles.
Per other posts I think libraries, universities, festivals, museums ,
theaters etc have common interests and can hopefully work together to
pressure Netflix. Do they really think allowing a class to view THE OTHER
SIDE OF THE WIND or an indie theater to show THEY WILL LOVE ME WHEN I'M
DEAD is going to cost them members?
On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 11:10 AM Susan Conlon <
Hi Nora and all,
This is a really important topic.
I've organized many public screenings over the years,with a focus on
documentaries. I've been frustrated for a while now about these kinds of
restrictions and it seems to be getting worse.
It's interesting - if we show something that's been on Netflix or
broadcast - we still get a strong turnout. The main reason, at least I like
to think, is that people want to come together to have a shared experience
and we can offer the value added factor of having the filmmakers or other
speakers who are well-versed on the subject.
While it is not impossible to get permission to screen a new(er) film
that is under contract by Netflix it has been because the filmmakers
negotiated with them.
I think my main frustration is that I think everyone involved - the
filmmakers, the distributors, theaters, libraries - have a common objective
of getting more people to see their films.
I'll be reading this thread for thoughts on this topic...
Susan
Most of the discussions happen at film festivals and conferences like
“Getting real”- are librarians able to send a contingent there? I’ll look
into it, I don’t know that a dedicated forum exists but that would be a
great idea. Check out “The D word” lots of discussion there with filmmakers.
I agree that this is a crucial topic!
Nora
Hi Nora,
Thank you for sharing your experience as a filmmaker.
Is there a forum where filmmakers are sharing this discussion, especially
one where libraries and similar organizations can track or participate in?
Regards,
Laura
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*Date: *Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 10:50 AM
*Subject: *Re: [videolib] non-theatrical film screenings of Netflix
exclusives
Hi there, as filmmakers we talk a lot of about this and I would suggest
contacting the film director / film team directly to see if they can put
pressure on Netflix - explain what you want to do with the film, they
usually push on behalf of educators, the same way It happened for 13th. I
believe the Audrie & Daisy team also got the right to show in screenings
outside of Netflix. Filmmakers usually don’t have a lot of leeway when
negotiating those deals, but we are talking about it.
Thanks for sharing your insights!
Nora
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there has been a LOT of discussion/press of Netflix not allowing their
films in THEATERS but virtually none that they and Amazon ( in many cases)
don't allow their films in libraries or to be used in classes, for research
etc, except if every student somehow had a membership. I am frustrated that
this issue has received zero attention both in the press and I think in the
film community. Sadly I can't see either of them allowing physical copies
of their titles but perhaps pressure for SOME streaming access. I am still
very concerned that streaming without either owning the stream or physical
copies is basically turning libraries into academic Netflix with no real
collection or permanent access. Overall I think I am getting too old for
this. Last night I was on a plane watching the woman next to me watch a
film on her phone. Luckily it was MAMA MIA but jeez watching a film a
screen smaller than your hand is really depressing me.
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ARGGG this makes my blood pressure go up. I tried every way I could think
of to get a DVD copy of Strong Island (I mean, it is a LOCAL story and uses
lots of local sources). No dice. Standard response about the Netflix
screening “license” which is in itself so dang problematic.
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Netflix never allows any non theatrical screenings of any of its films.
They have allowed limited screenings at festivals of some films, I have
never in fact heard of them allowing non theatrical screenings of
documentaries except for highly specialized cases like '13" where the
director pressured them.
There has been much discussion of ROMA specifically among indie theaters
and basically Netflix is only allowing shows on very short notice to
theaters and also wanting special equipment.
I would offer you the contact info for the theatrical booker but
theaters have been adamant that they are blowing everyone off.
Here is one fun article that was posted.
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Hi all,
I'm organizing the international film series at University of Richmond
and we want to show the film Roma by Alfonso Cuarón which is coming out
soon. I read an article that said because the film is distributed by
Netflix it is getting a very limited theatrical release. I'm not sure what
this will mean for non-theatrical screenings. As you are probably familiar-
Netflix does allow screenings of some documentaries, but does not seem to
have a policy for narrative features. Does anyone have any direct contact
info for Netflix reps who handle these questions? I'm not looking for a
general phone number- I already tried that with no success. So far I
managed to find email contacts for people who handle press inquiries for
the film over at Netflix but that's all. Thanks for any info you can
provide.
best,
Molly Fair
Film Librarian
University of Richmond
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[Carrie Russell]

Hello.

The problems with EULAs has been a focus of mine for several years, and I have worked with a few groups to figure out what can be done about it. As you know, music librarians are having the same problem with sound recordings only available through iTunes. The music groups have reached out to the clearinghouses, to sound recording preservation associations and others. For the most part, unsuccessfully. The institutional licenses they have been offered (after years of bugging people) are ridiculous – expensive, and time or use based. (Like a license for one year for $500 for one sound recording)

In October, I attended a scholarly communication institute https://trianglesci.org/ at Duke University with a team of four librarians (academic, all very familiar with he copyright law, two with JDs) on this issue. It was a great experience.

We are writing a white paper (Scholarly Communication in a Consumer-Licensed World: Understanding & Reducing the Legal Risk of Commercial Platforms for Popular Media) that hopefully will be completed by January. Then we are going to seek feedback from scholars, librarians, academics, teachers etc. We have a practical plan and a yet to be planned advocacy campaign. Ultimately we hope to override contractual limitations on EULAs that prevent librarians and educators from doing the job they were hired to do. More information is here https://trianglesci.org/2018/07/20/scholarly-communication-in-a-consumer-licensed-world/

In order to be successful, we need as many examples as to why this is a problem as possible. We may need to target particular congressional districts with schools and universities who are facing this problem. We need to demonstrate that there is market failure – we are consumers who cannot buy the product that we need. Regardless of whether the market for institutional license agreements is determined to be too small for rights holders to pursue, we need a legal solution. As everyone mentioned, awareness is a problem.

Let’s continue to work on this together. I’ll share the white paper as soon as we have a draft.

Best,
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From: Jessica Rosner <***@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [videolib] non-theatrical film screenings of Netflix exclusives

I think one important thing is try to get as much public awareness as possible of this dire issue. Netflix is very good at press and while some artilcles focus on their films not being available to theaters the fact that they can't be used in education has literally never been mentionned that I know of.

On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 2:26 PM Maureen Tripp <***@emerson.edu<mailto:***@emerson.edu>> wrote:
In the name of all that's holy, please keep discussing this on videolib!!!! I think we're all pretty much SUPER INTERESTED in this topic!!!

On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 2:22 PM Seay, Jared Alexander <***@cofc.edu<mailto:***@cofc.edu>> wrote:
I am very interested. Please put me on your list or rolodex (ancient technology reference – older even than VHS).

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From: Nancy E. Friedland [mailto:***@columbia.edu<mailto:***@columbia.edu>]
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I am writing to this collective group to share my experience at AMIA -- I spoke this past Thursday on streaming video. The talk was well-attended and generated good questions and interest. Most importantly -- there is genuine interest in keeping this discussion active and moving forward with defined goals -- within all interested associations and groups.

I also had the pleasure of meeting Molly!

I would like to help organize a more organized focus discussion/action group on this subject - to help bring together these disparate discussions -- with larger goals in mind -- talks with aggregators, filmmakers, distributors, etc.

Anyone else interested?

Here is the abstract to my talk -- grounded in the point of view of impact on media collections and film studies.

Academic research libraries include in their mission statement the desire to collect materials in multiple formats to support the teaching and learning activities of their institution. With the advent of the videocassette and later DVD format in the early 2000s, libraries collected film content in a traditional model of acquiring a tangible object, the right of first sale, and traditional practices of cataloging, preserving, and making these items accessible through loan or in library use. Simultaneously, film studies programs grew at a rapid pace. There was a growth in the scholarly output as researchers had access to the object of study in this non-print format. Today, libraries are faced with numerous challenges in the “collecting” of streaming film content, the latest in a continued format evolution for moving images intended for either the large or small screen. The most important factor in this new format is the support of film studies on both the undergraduate and graduate levels. Expectations for streaming video by students and faculty are at an unsurprisingly all-time high but the actual content required for research and instruction is not as available compared to what libraries were able (and continue) to collect in DVD format. This paper will examine large-scale and niche services and the sustainability of this format, the challenges of Netflix and the lack of educational license for in-demand content, the long term preservation of commercially accessible moving image content, cost, and examine the essential question of how this new format change will impact the current and future study of film.



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You got it!



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On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 3:27 PM Sarah E. McCleskey <***@hofstra.edu<mailto:***@hofstra.edu>> wrote:
Wow but that platform looks super familiar. !!!

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Speaking of public streamers, if you don't know already, guess who this is?

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On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 1:51 PM Jessica Rosner <***@gmail.com<mailto:***@gmail.com>> wrote:
Susan
I have been involved with Art House Convergence which is a group made up of indie film folks ( theaters , distributors) and Netflix has been huge topic of late. Many of them like your screenings are willing to show films even when are streaming on Netflix but they are rebuffed. Living in NYC I actually get a chance to see Netflix films if I want because they must open NY & LA to qualify for Oscars. I went to MOMA recently to see THEY WILL LOVE ME WHEN I'M DEAD the documentary about the making of Welles OTHER SIDE OF THE WIND. Both of course are Netflix and other than a tiny number of festival and Academy shows and special shows neither will be seen by audiences en mass which is a shame. I loved watching the doc in a theater with hundreds of people. More importantly neither will able to be used (legally) in a course on Orson Welles.

Per other posts I think libraries, universities, festivals, museums , theaters etc have common interests and can hopefully work together to pressure Netflix. Do they really think allowing a class to view THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WIND or an indie theater to show THEY WILL LOVE ME WHEN I'M DEAD is going to cost them members?




On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 11:10 AM Susan Conlon <***@princetonlibrary.org<mailto:***@princetonlibrary.org>> wrote:
Hi Nora and all,

This is a really important topic.

I've organized many public screenings over the years,with a focus on documentaries. I've been frustrated for a while now about these kinds of restrictions and it seems to be getting worse.

It's interesting - if we show something that's been on Netflix or broadcast - we still get a strong turnout. The main reason, at least I like to think, is that people want to come together to have a shared experience and we can offer the value added factor of having the filmmakers or other speakers who are well-versed on the subject.

While it is not impossible to get permission to screen a new(er) film that is under contract by Netflix it has been because the filmmakers negotiated with them.

I think my main frustration is that I think everyone involved - the filmmakers, the distributors, theaters, libraries - have a common objective of getting more people to see their films.

I'll be reading this thread for thoughts on this topic...

Susan

On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 10:58 AM Nora Poggi <***@gmail.com<mailto:***@gmail.com>> wrote:
Most of the discussions happen at film festivals and conferences like “Getting real”- are librarians able to send a contingent there? I’ll look into it, I don’t know that a dedicated forum exists but that would be a great idea. Check out “The D word” lots of discussion there with filmmakers.
I agree that this is a crucial topic!
Nora

On Nov 28, 2018, at 10:54 AM, Jenemann, Laura <***@bu.edu<mailto:***@bu.edu>> wrote:
Hi Nora,

Thank you for sharing your experience as a filmmaker.

Is there a forum where filmmakers are sharing this discussion, especially one where libraries and similar organizations can track or participate in?

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To: "***@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:***@lists.berkeley.edu>" <***@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:***@lists.berkeley.edu>>
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Hi there, as filmmakers we talk a lot of about this and I would suggest contacting the film director / film team directly to see if they can put pressure on Netflix - explain what you want to do with the film, they usually push on behalf of educators, the same way It happened for 13th. I believe the Audrie & Daisy team also got the right to show in screenings outside of Netflix. Filmmakers usually don’t have a lot of leeway when negotiating those deals, but we are talking about it.
Thanks for sharing your insights!

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On Nov 28, 2018, at 10:39 AM, Jessica Rosner <***@gmail.com<mailto:***@gmail.com>> wrote:
there has been a LOT of discussion/press of Netflix not allowing their films in THEATERS but virtually none that they and Amazon ( in many cases) don't allow their films in libraries or to be used in classes, for research etc, except if every student somehow had a membership. I am frustrated that this issue has received zero attention both in the press and I think in the film community. Sadly I can't see either of them allowing physical copies of their titles but perhaps pressure for SOME streaming access. I am still very concerned that streaming without either owning the stream or physical copies is basically turning libraries into academic Netflix with no real collection or permanent access. Overall I think I am getting too old for this. Last night I was on a plane watching the woman next to me watch a film on her phone. Luckily it was MAMA MIA but jeez watching a film a screen smaller than your hand is really depressing me.


On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM Sarah E. McCleskey <***@hofstra.edu<mailto:***@hofstra.edu>> wrote:
ARGGG this makes my blood pressure go up. I tried every way I could think of to get a DVD copy of Strong Island (I mean, it is a LOCAL story and uses lots of local sources). No dice. Standard response about the Netflix screening “license” which is in itself so dang problematic.

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There has been much discussion of ROMA specifically among indie theaters and basically Netflix is only allowing shows on very short notice to theaters and also wanting special equipment.

I would offer you the contact info for the theatrical booker but theaters have been adamant that they are blowing everyone off.

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On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 10:03 AM Fair, Molly <***@richmond.edu<mailto:***@richmond.edu>> wrote:

Hi all,

I'm organizing the international film series at University of Richmond and we want to show the film Roma by Alfonso Cuarón which is coming out soon. I read an article that said because the film is distributed by Netflix it is getting a very limited theatrical release. I'm not sure what this will mean for non-theatrical screenings. As you are probably familiar- Netflix does allow screenings of some documentaries, but does not seem to have a policy for narrative features. Does anyone have any direct contact info for Netflix reps who handle these questions? I'm not looking for a general phone number- I already tried that with no success. So far I managed to find email contacts for people who handle press inquiries for the film over at Netflix but that's all. Thanks for any info you can provide.

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Amen.

Post by Maureen Tripp
In the name of all that's holy, please keep discussing this on
videolib!!!! I think we're all pretty much SUPER INTERESTED in this topic!!!

Post by Seay, Jared Alexander
I am very interested. Please put me on your list or rolodex (ancient
technology reference – older even than VHS).
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*Sent:* Saturday, December 01, 2018 8:58 PM
*Subject:* Re: [videolib] non-theatrical film screenings of Netflix
exclusives
I am writing to this collective group to share my experience at AMIA -- I
spoke this past Thursday on streaming video. The talk was well-attended and
generated good questions and interest. Most importantly -- there is genuine
interest in keeping this discussion active and moving forward with defined
goals -- within all interested associations and groups.
I also had the pleasure of meeting Molly!
I would like to help organize a more organized focus discussion/action
group on this subject - to help bring together these disparate discussions
-- with larger goals in mind -- talks with aggregators, filmmakers,
distributors, etc.
Anyone else interested?
Here is the abstract to my talk -- grounded in the point of view of
impact on media collections and film studies.
Academic research libraries include in their mission statement the desire
to collect materials in multiple formats to support the teaching and
learning activities of their institution. With the advent of the
videocassette and later DVD format in the early 2000s, libraries collected
film content in a traditional model of acquiring a tangible object, the
right of first sale, and traditional practices of cataloging, preserving,
and making these items accessible through loan or in library use.
Simultaneously, film studies programs grew at a rapid pace. There was a
growth in the scholarly output as researchers had access to the object of
study in this non-print format. Today, libraries are faced with numerous
challenges in the “collecting” of streaming film content, the latest in a
continued format evolution for moving images intended for either the large
or small screen. The most important factor in this new format is the
support of film studies on both the undergraduate and graduate levels.
Expectations for streaming video by students and faculty are at an
unsurprisingly all-time high but the actual content required for research
and instruction is not as available compared to what libraries were able
(and continue) to collect in DVD format. This paper will examine
large-scale and niche services and the sustainability of this format, the
challenges of Netflix and the lack of educational license for in-demand
content, the long term preservation of commercially accessible moving image
content, cost, and examine the essential question of how this new format
change will impact the current and future study of film.
You got it!
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Wow but that platform looks super familiar. !!!
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Speaking of public streamers, if you don't know already, guess who this is?
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I have been involved with Art House Convergence which is a group made up
of indie film folks ( theaters , distributors) and Netflix has been huge
topic of late. Many of them like your screenings are willing to show films
even when are streaming on Netflix but they are rebuffed. Living in NYC I
actually get a chance to see Netflix films if I want because they must open
NY & LA to qualify for Oscars. I went to MOMA recently to see THEY WILL
LOVE ME WHEN I'M DEAD the documentary about the making of Welles OTHER SIDE
OF THE WIND. Both of course are Netflix and other than a tiny number of
festival and Academy shows and special shows neither will be seen by
audiences en mass which is a shame. I loved watching the doc in a theater
with hundreds of people. More importantly neither will able to be used
(legally) in a course on Orson Welles.
Per other posts I think libraries, universities, festivals, museums ,
theaters etc have common interests and can hopefully work together to
pressure Netflix. Do they really think allowing a class to view THE OTHER
SIDE OF THE WIND or an indie theater to show THEY WILL LOVE ME WHEN I'M
DEAD is going to cost them members?
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Hi Nora and all,
This is a really important topic.
I've organized many public screenings over the years,with a focus on
documentaries. I've been frustrated for a while now about these kinds of
restrictions and it seems to be getting worse.
It's interesting - if we show something that's been on Netflix or
broadcast - we still get a strong turnout. The main reason, at least I like
to think, is that people want to come together to have a shared experience
and we can offer the value added factor of having the filmmakers or other
speakers who are well-versed on the subject.
While it is not impossible to get permission to screen a new(er) film
that is under contract by Netflix it has been because the filmmakers
negotiated with them.
I think my main frustration is that I think everyone involved - the
filmmakers, the distributors, theaters, libraries - have a common objective
of getting more people to see their films.
I'll be reading this thread for thoughts on this topic...
Susan
Most of the discussions happen at film festivals and conferences like
“Getting real”- are librarians able to send a contingent there? I’ll look
into it, I don’t know that a dedicated forum exists but that would be a
great idea. Check out “The D word” lots of discussion there with filmmakers.
I agree that this is a crucial topic!
Nora
Hi Nora,
Thank you for sharing your experience as a filmmaker.
Is there a forum where filmmakers are sharing this discussion, especially
one where libraries and similar organizations can track or participate in?
Regards,
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*Date: *Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 10:50 AM
*Subject: *Re: [videolib] non-theatrical film screenings of Netflix
exclusives
Hi there, as filmmakers we talk a lot of about this and I would suggest
contacting the film director / film team directly to see if they can put
pressure on Netflix - explain what you want to do with the film, they
usually push on behalf of educators, the same way It happened for 13th. I
believe the Audrie & Daisy team also got the right to show in screenings
outside of Netflix. Filmmakers usually don’t have a lot of leeway when
negotiating those deals, but we are talking about it.
Thanks for sharing your insights!
Nora
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there has been a LOT of discussion/press of Netflix not allowing their
films in THEATERS but virtually none that they and Amazon ( in many cases)
don't allow their films in libraries or to be used in classes, for research
etc, except if every student somehow had a membership. I am frustrated that
this issue has received zero attention both in the press and I think in the
film community. Sadly I can't see either of them allowing physical copies
of their titles but perhaps pressure for SOME streaming access. I am still
very concerned that streaming without either owning the stream or physical
copies is basically turning libraries into academic Netflix with no real
collection or permanent access. Overall I think I am getting too old for
this. Last night I was on a plane watching the woman next to me watch a
film on her phone. Luckily it was MAMA MIA but jeez watching a film a
screen smaller than your hand is really depressing me.
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ARGGG this makes my blood pressure go up. I tried every way I could think
of to get a DVD copy of Strong Island (I mean, it is a LOCAL story and uses
lots of local sources). No dice. Standard response about the Netflix
screening “license” which is in itself so dang problematic.
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*Subject:* Re: [videolib] non-theatrical film screenings of Netflix
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Netflix never allows any non theatrical screenings of any of its films.
They have allowed limited screenings at festivals of some films, I have
never in fact heard of them allowing non theatrical screenings of
documentaries except for highly specialized cases like '13" where the
director pressured them.
There has been much discussion of ROMA specifically among indie theaters
and basically Netflix is only allowing shows on very short notice to
theaters and also wanting special equipment.
I would offer you the contact info for the theatrical booker but
theaters have been adamant that they are blowing everyone off.
Here is one fun article that was posted.
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Hi all,
I'm organizing the international film series at University of Richmond
and we want to show the film Roma by Alfonso Cuarón which is coming out
soon. I read an article that said because the film is distributed by
Netflix it is getting a very limited theatrical release. I'm not sure what
this will mean for non-theatrical screenings. As you are probably familiar-
Netflix does allow screenings of some documentaries, but does not seem to
have a policy for narrative features. Does anyone have any direct contact
info for Netflix reps who handle these questions? I'm not looking for a
general phone number- I already tried that with no success. So far I
managed to find email contacts for people who handle press inquiries for
the film over at Netflix but that's all. Thanks for any info you can
provide.
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Post by Nancy E. Friedland
I am writing to this collective group to share my experience at AMIA -- I
spoke this past Thursday on streaming video. The talk was well-attended and
generated good questions and interest. Most importantly -- there is genuine
interest in keeping this discussion active and moving forward with defined
goals -- within all interested associations and groups.
I also had the pleasure of meeting Molly!
I would like to help organize a more organized focus discussion/action
group on this subject - to help bring together these disparate discussions
-- with larger goals in mind -- talks with aggregators, filmmakers,
distributors, etc.
Anyone else interested?
Here is the abstract to my talk -- grounded in the point of view of impact
on media collections and film studies.
Academic research libraries include in their mission statement the desire
to collect materials in multiple formats to support the teaching and
learning activities of their institution. With the advent of the
videocassette and later DVD format in the early 2000s, libraries collected
film content in a traditional model of acquiring a tangible object, the
right of first sale, and traditional practices of cataloging, preserving,
and making these items accessible through loan or in library use.
Simultaneously, film studies programs grew at a rapid pace. There was a
growth in the scholarly output as researchers had access to the object of
study in this non-print format. Today, libraries are faced with numerous
challenges in the “collecting” of streaming film content, the latest in a
continued format evolution for moving images intended for either the large
or small screen. The most important factor in this new format is the
support of film studies on both the undergraduate and graduate levels.
Expectations for streaming video by students and faculty are at an
unsurprisingly all-time high but the actual content required for research
and instruction is not as available compared to what libraries were able
(and continue) to collect in DVD format. This paper will examine
large-scale and niche services and the sustainability of this format, the
challenges of Netflix and the lack of educational license for in-demand
content, the long term preservation of commercially accessible moving image
content, cost, and examine the essential question of how this new format
change will impact the current and future study of film.

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On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 1:51 PM Jessica Rosner <
Susan
I have been involved with Art House Convergence which is a group made
up of indie film folks ( theaters , distributors) and Netflix has been huge
topic of late. Many of them like your screenings are willing to show films
even when are streaming on Netflix but they are rebuffed. Living in NYC I
actually get a chance to see Netflix films if I want because they must open
NY & LA to qualify for Oscars. I went to MOMA recently to see THEY WILL
LOVE ME WHEN I'M DEAD the documentary about the making of Welles OTHER SIDE
OF THE WIND. Both of course are Netflix and other than a tiny number of
festival and Academy shows and special shows neither will be seen by
audiences en mass which is a shame. I loved watching the doc in a theater
with hundreds of people. More importantly neither will able to be used
(legally) in a course on Orson Welles.
Per other posts I think libraries, universities, festivals, museums ,
theaters etc have common interests and can hopefully work together to
pressure Netflix. Do they really think allowing a class to view THE OTHER
SIDE OF THE WIND or an indie theater to show THEY WILL LOVE ME WHEN I'M
DEAD is going to cost them members?
On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 11:10 AM Susan Conlon <
Hi Nora and all,
This is a really important topic.
I've organized many public screenings over the years,with a focus on
documentaries. I've been frustrated for a while now about these kinds of
restrictions and it seems to be getting worse.
It's interesting - if we show something that's been on Netflix or
broadcast - we still get a strong turnout. The main reason, at least I like
to think, is that people want to come together to have a shared experience
and we can offer the value added factor of having the filmmakers or other
speakers who are well-versed on the subject.
While it is not impossible to get permission to screen a new(er) film
that is under contract by Netflix it has been because the filmmakers
negotiated with them.
I think my main frustration is that I think everyone involved - the
filmmakers, the distributors, theaters, libraries - have a common objective
of getting more people to see their films.
I'll be reading this thread for thoughts on this topic...
Susan
Most of the discussions happen at film festivals and conferences like
“Getting real”- are librarians able to send a contingent there? I’ll look
into it, I don’t know that a dedicated forum exists but that would be a
great idea. Check out “The D word” lots of discussion there with
filmmakers.
I agree that this is a crucial topic!
Nora
Hi Nora,
Thank you for sharing your experience as a filmmaker.
Is there a forum where filmmakers are sharing this discussion,
especially one where libraries and similar organizations can track or
participate in?
Regards,
Laura
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Hi there, as filmmakers we talk a lot of about this and I would suggest
contacting the film director / film team directly to see if they can put
pressure on Netflix - explain what you want to do with the film, they
usually push on behalf of educators, the same way It happened for 13th. I
believe the Audrie & Daisy team also got the right to show in screenings
outside of Netflix. Filmmakers usually don’t have a lot of leeway when
negotiating those deals, but we are talking about it.
Thanks for sharing your insights!
Nora
www.shestarteditfilm.com
there has been a LOT of discussion/press of Netflix not allowing their
films in THEATERS but virtually none that they and Amazon ( in many cases)
don't allow their films in libraries or to be used in classes, for research
etc, except if every student somehow had a membership. I am frustrated that
this issue has received zero attention both in the press and I think in the
film community. Sadly I can't see either of them allowing physical copies
of their titles but perhaps pressure for SOME streaming access. I am still
very concerned that streaming without either owning the stream or physical
copies is basically turning libraries into academic Netflix with no real
collection or permanent access. Overall I think I am getting too old for
this. Last night I was on a plane watching the woman next to me watch a
film on her phone. Luckily it was MAMA MIA but jeez watching a film a
screen smaller than your hand is really depressing me.
On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM Sarah E. McCleskey <
ARGGG this makes my blood pressure go up. I tried every way I could
think of to get a DVD copy of Strong Island (I mean, it is a LOCAL story
and uses lots of local sources). No dice. Standard response about the
Netflix screening “license” which is in itself so dang problematic.
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Netflix never allows any non theatrical screenings of any of its films.
They have allowed limited screenings at festivals of some films, I have
never in fact heard of them allowing non theatrical screenings of
documentaries except for highly specialized cases like '13" where the
director pressured them.
There has been much discussion of ROMA specifically among indie
theaters and basically Netflix is only allowing shows on very short notice
to theaters and also wanting special equipment.
I would offer you the contact info for the theatrical booker but
theaters have been adamant that they are blowing everyone off.
Here is one fun article that was posted.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/14/movies/netflix-ballad-of-buster-scruggs.html
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Hi all,
I'm organizing the international film series at University of Richmond
and we want to show the film Roma by Alfonso Cuarón which is coming out
soon. I read an article that said because the film is distributed by
Netflix it is getting a very limited theatrical release. I'm not sure what
this will mean for non-theatrical screenings. As you are probably familiar-
Netflix does allow screenings of some documentaries, but does not seem to
have a policy for narrative features. Does anyone have any direct contact
info for Netflix reps who handle these questions? I'm not looking for a
general phone number- I already tried that with no success. So far I
managed to find email contacts for people who handle press inquiries for
the film over at Netflix but that's all. Thanks for any info you can
provide.
best,
Molly Fair
Film Librarian
University of Richmond
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[Jeff Tamblyn]

Hi, Nancy - Timely post, from my point of view. A couple of members of the
National Media Market professional development team had a discussion about
this very topic yesterday with Doug Block, a filmmaker and one of the
founders of The D Word. The Market is in the early stages of planning our
PD agenda, but we're very interested in working on this topic, and Doug
(whose site's membership involves industry conversations with thousands of
members in over 100 countries) had some great ideas and interesting
perspectives on the big-streaming vs. educational use/archive question.
Maybe we can combine forces to continue this conversation in Austin, at the
2019 Market. Since Austin's a center of independent filmmaking, we're
hoping to leverage that community, too, as well as some other influential
advocates.

Best,

Jeff

Jeff Tamblyn
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Post by Nancy E. Friedland
I am writing to this collective group to share my experience at AMIA -- I
spoke this past Thursday on streaming video. The talk was well-attended and
generated good questions and interest. Most importantly -- there is genuine
interest in keeping this discussion active and moving forward with defined
goals -- within all interested associations and groups.
I also had the pleasure of meeting Molly!
I would like to help organize a more organized focus discussion/action
group on this subject - to help bring together these disparate discussions
-- with larger goals in mind -- talks with aggregators, filmmakers,
distributors, etc.
Anyone else interested?
Here is the abstract to my talk -- grounded in the point of view of impact
on media collections and film studies.
Academic research libraries include in their mission statement the desire
to collect materials in multiple formats to support the teaching and
learning activities of their institution. With the advent of the
videocassette and later DVD format in the early 2000s, libraries collected
film content in a traditional model of acquiring a tangible object, the
right of first sale, and traditional practices of cataloging, preserving,
and making these items accessible through loan or in library use.
Simultaneously, film studies programs grew at a rapid pace. There was a
growth in the scholarly output as researchers had access to the object of
study in this non-print format. Today, libraries are faced with numerous
challenges in the “collecting” of streaming film content, the latest in a
continued format evolution for moving images intended for either the large
or small screen. The most important factor in this new format is the
support of film studies on both the undergraduate and graduate levels.
Expectations for streaming video by students and faculty are at an
unsurprisingly all-time high but the actual content required for research
and instruction is not as available compared to what libraries were able
(and continue) to collect in DVD format. This paper will examine
large-scale and niche services and the sustainability of this format, the
challenges of Netflix and the lack of educational license for in-demand
content, the long term preservation of commercially accessible moving image
content, cost, and examine the essential question of how this new format
change will impact the current and future study of film.

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You got it!
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Post by Sarah E. McCleskey
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On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 1:51 PM Jessica Rosner <
Susan
I have been involved with Art House Convergence which is a group made
up of indie film folks ( theaters , distributors) and Netflix has been huge
topic of late. Many of them like your screenings are willing to show films
even when are streaming on Netflix but they are rebuffed. Living in NYC I
actually get a chance to see Netflix films if I want because they must open
NY & LA to qualify for Oscars. I went to MOMA recently to see THEY WILL
LOVE ME WHEN I'M DEAD the documentary about the making of Welles OTHER SIDE
OF THE WIND. Both of course are Netflix and other than a tiny number of
festival and Academy shows and special shows neither will be seen by
audiences en mass which is a shame. I loved watching the doc in a theater
with hundreds of people. More importantly neither will able to be used
(legally) in a course on Orson Welles.
Per other posts I think libraries, universities, festivals, museums ,
theaters etc have common interests and can hopefully work together to
pressure Netflix. Do they really think allowing a class to view THE OTHER
SIDE OF THE WIND or an indie theater to show THEY WILL LOVE ME WHEN I'M
DEAD is going to cost them members?
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Hi Nora and all,
This is a really important topic.
I've organized many public screenings over the years,with a focus on
documentaries. I've been frustrated for a while now about these kinds of
restrictions and it seems to be getting worse.
It's interesting - if we show something that's been on Netflix or
broadcast - we still get a strong turnout. The main reason, at least I like
to think, is that people want to come together to have a shared experience
and we can offer the value added factor of having the filmmakers or other
speakers who are well-versed on the subject.
While it is not impossible to get permission to screen a new(er) film
that is under contract by Netflix it has been because the filmmakers
negotiated with them.
I think my main frustration is that I think everyone involved - the
filmmakers, the distributors, theaters, libraries - have a common objective
of getting more people to see their films.
I'll be reading this thread for thoughts on this topic...
Susan
Most of the discussions happen at film festivals and conferences like
“Getting real”- are librarians able to send a contingent there? I’ll look
into it, I don’t know that a dedicated forum exists but that would be a
great idea. Check out “The D word” lots of discussion there with
filmmakers.
I agree that this is a crucial topic!
Nora
Hi Nora,
Thank you for sharing your experience as a filmmaker.
Is there a forum where filmmakers are sharing this discussion,
especially one where libraries and similar organizations can track or
participate in?
Regards,
Laura
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*Subject: *Re: [videolib] non-theatrical film screenings of Netflix
exclusives
Hi there, as filmmakers we talk a lot of about this and I would suggest
contacting the film director / film team directly to see if they can put
pressure on Netflix - explain what you want to do with the film, they
usually push on behalf of educators, the same way It happened for 13th. I
believe the Audrie & Daisy team also got the right to show in screenings
outside of Netflix. Filmmakers usually don’t have a lot of leeway when
negotiating those deals, but we are talking about it.
Thanks for sharing your insights!
Nora
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there has been a LOT of discussion/press of Netflix not allowing their
films in THEATERS but virtually none that they and Amazon ( in many cases)
don't allow their films in libraries or to be used in classes, for research
etc, except if every student somehow had a membership. I am frustrated that
this issue has received zero attention both in the press and I think in the
film community. Sadly I can't see either of them allowing physical copies
of their titles but perhaps pressure for SOME streaming access. I am still
very concerned that streaming without either owning the stream or physical
copies is basically turning libraries into academic Netflix with no real
collection or permanent access. Overall I think I am getting too old for
this. Last night I was on a plane watching the woman next to me watch a
film on her phone. Luckily it was MAMA MIA but jeez watching a film a
screen smaller than your hand is really depressing me.
On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM Sarah E. McCleskey <
ARGGG this makes my blood pressure go up. I tried every way I could
think of to get a DVD copy of Strong Island (I mean, it is a LOCAL story
and uses lots of local sources). No dice. Standard response about the
Netflix screening “license” which is in itself so dang problematic.
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 28, 2018 10:15 AM
*Subject:* Re: [videolib] non-theatrical film screenings of Netflix
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Netflix never allows any non theatrical screenings of any of its films.
They have allowed limited screenings at festivals of some films, I have
never in fact heard of them allowing non theatrical screenings of
documentaries except for highly specialized cases like '13" where the
director pressured them.
There has been much discussion of ROMA specifically among indie
theaters and basically Netflix is only allowing shows on very short notice
to theaters and also wanting special equipment.
I would offer you the contact info for the theatrical booker but
theaters have been adamant that they are blowing everyone off.
Here is one fun article that was posted.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/14/movies/netflix-ballad-of-buster-scruggs.html
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Hi all,
I'm organizing the international film series at University of Richmond
and we want to show the film Roma by Alfonso Cuarón which is coming out
soon. I read an article that said because the film is distributed by
Netflix it is getting a very limited theatrical release. I'm not sure what
this will mean for non-theatrical screenings. As you are probably familiar-
Netflix does allow screenings of some documentaries, but does not seem to
have a policy for narrative features. Does anyone have any direct contact
info for Netflix reps who handle these questions? I'm not looking for a
general phone number- I already tried that with no success. So far I
managed to find email contacts for people who handle press inquiries for
the film over at Netflix but that's all. Thanks for any info you can
provide.
best,
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University of Richmond
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[Wochna, Lorraine]

Hi all,
I have been wanting this conversation to happen for so long! We talk about this issue in Videolib, National Media Market, ALA Film & Media Roundtable – and now Nancy has reached out by addressing the subject at AMIA. You rock Nancy.
We are all on the same page, with perhaps some disparate interests. We need to work together and make our voices heard, and I agree with Jessica, public awareness is necessary – and I’m not saying it will be an easy conversation. We need to communicate it in a way that streaming users will understand and hopefully understand the point of view.

Anyway, I love’s Jeff’s suggestion of making this a part of next years National Media Market – especially since we have a captive audience of vendors who stream, don’t stream, streaming platforms, all with different experiences and criteria for what works. Think of the amazing professional development opps!!!

Also the D-Word, what a great site – I joined a little bit ago, and Doug block welcomed me warmly – lots of amazing info and connections on this site..

This even hits on ALVT and VHS – everything won’t be magically streamed just because it was a VHS. So, two really big conversations!

There is also a Film Librarian conference which I attended 2 years ago, along with Laura Jenemann, and this issue can reach that audience as well. Their mission: Call for Proposals / Documenting Cinema: Film Librarians Conference 2019 / May 15-17 - The 2019 Film Librarians Conference will build on the discussions and dialogues begun in 2017, providing a continuing forum to explore contemporary debates and exchange ideas and strategies amongst librarians, curators, and archivists who maintain and administer paper-based, motion picture-related collections, as well as students enrolled in related graduate programs. The conference will explore a diverse range of topics and foster a stimulating environment for specialists from various institutions and disciplines. Our upcoming event will be held at the Linwood Dunn Theater at the Pickford Center for Motion Picture Study in Hollywood, CA on May 15 to 17, 2019. The Film Librarians Conference is organized by the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences’ Margaret Herrick Library.
Call for Proposals / Documenting Cinema: Film Librarians Conference 2019 / May 15-17 - The 2019

AND, what about SCMS?
Strength in numbers – let’s keep this conversation going.

All best,
lorraine (who likes to be involved in everything)


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[Dennis Doros]

Dear Nancy and all,

I'm sorry I couldn't make it to the panel (I seemed to have been working on
speeches and meeting sponsors for most of my conference), but I heard your
panel went great! If you need any help in the future from AMIA, please let
me know. Obviously, our organization is not only about the preservation of
hard materials (including hard drives, tapes, etc.) -- streaming and
digital materials are an extremely important concern for all of us and I
have fears of a tsunami of digitally born material being lost in the near
future, much less in 100 years.

To be honest, and Maureen and I did a presentation at NMM about this a few
years ago, I am regretful that the institutions did not care for and
selectively save their 16mm holdings. Not only would a lot of that hold up
until the next century (at least), but there were many one-of-a-kind
materials that have been lost. Since those dark days a few years back, a
LOT of the next generation have picked up on the importance of small gauge
films. (A workshop and several presentations were devoted to that.)

Did you see the new 8mm camera prototype that Kodak premiered at their
booth this year? Very cool!


Fondest regards,
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[Fair, Molly]

A quick update on the original query- I was able to get in touch with Participant Media (production company associated w/ Roma) and they kindly sent my inquiry on to Netflix. Big surprise- Netflix said no screening allowed. Just wanted to say once more- the panel at AMIA was great- and it was really nice to meet the other film/media librarians in attendance.
-Molly
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Dear Nancy and all,

I'm sorry I couldn't make it to the panel (I seemed to have been working on speeches and meeting sponsors for most of my conference), but I heard your panel went great! If you need any help in the future from AMIA, please let me know. Obviously, our organization is not only about the preservation of hard materials (including hard drives, tapes, etc.) -- streaming and digital materials are an extremely important concern for all of us and I have fears of a tsunami of digitally born material being lost in the near future, much less in 100 years.

To be honest, and Maureen and I did a presentation at NMM about this a few years ago, I am regretful that the institutions did not care for and selectively save their 16mm holdings. Not only would a lot of that hold up until the next century (at least), but there were many one-of-a-kind materials that have been lost. Since those dark days a few years back, a LOT of the next generation have picked up on the importance of small gauge films. (A workshop and several presentations were devoted to that.)

Did you see the new 8mm camera prototype that Kodak premiered at their booth this year? Very cool!


Fondest regards,
Dennis Doros, Co-owner
Milestone Film & Video • PO Box 128 • Harrington Park, NJ 07640
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[Meghann Matwichuk]

I'm glad to hear that there is more discussion of this issue among
filmmakers.  Many of these titles are created as passion projects with
an advocacy bent -- I know most filmmakers' goals are to get their work
in front of as many eyes as possible while recouping costs (and maybe
even -- gasp! -- making a living).

Nora, I'll echo Laura's question -- do you have suggestions about how
librarians can best advocate and communicate with filmmakers about
library-specific needs?  Media librarians are fortunate to have good
relationships with many distributors, especially those of us who are
able to attend the annual National Media Market meetings where we can
discuss user needs and market pressures from both perspectives.  I know
distributors are facing many of the same challenges when it comes to
attempting to provide access to high-value titles that are increasingly
going the way of exclusive streaming access, bypassing library models
completely.  I feel like a wider conversation with filmmakers is the way
to go, but it's difficult to know how best to do that other than
individual contacts. [Nora provided some good suggestions as I was
composing this, but I'll leave this paragraph in here in case others
have additional thoughts / suggestions.]

Some of you might remember that we had a loosely organized conversation
/ conference call about this topic ~2 years ago.  I unexpectedly lost my
partner in that endeavor who had contacts at Netflix and other streaming
services, and forward momentum stalled.  There was also some 'be careful
what you wish for' concerns about Netflix creating an aggregated
institutional streaming model that might be too expensive for Libraries
to work with -- a valid concern, I think, especially given the way
streaming affordability seems to be coming to head in the last year or
so.  The 13th and Audrie & Daisy were the two titles at that time that
spurred the discussion.  In the meanwhile, Netflix created this list of
titles which allow for educational screenings, but it's well-hidden and
stupid difficult to use:

https://help.netflix.com/en/node/57695

It also fails to solve the problem of long-term access, or give
libraries a way to pay for access on behalf of their users (an
instructor needs to have their own subscription in order to make use of
these Netflix-granted exceptions.)

My unit (the University of Delaware's Film & Video Collection) recently
completed a survey of our users, and many suggested that the Library
'get a Netflix / Amazon Prime / Hulu subscription'.  So an added wrinkle
is -- how best do we communicate to our users the realities of a
marketplace that does not allow for that and balance expectations?  It's
hard enough for the professionals to grasp the ins & outs as the
landscape grows more complex over time.  For instance, I'm seeing a lot
of promotional material / articles in the last day or two about the
addition of A24's titles to Kanopy that uses simplistic language about
how the catalog is free via public libraries (A.V. Club, for example
<https://news.avclub.com/a24s-film-library-is-available-on-a-streaming-service-y-1830679969>: 
"all you have to do is support your local library by signing up...") --
glossing over the considerable resources needed to provide that service.

Good conversation, all -- looking forward to reading more!
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she/her/hers

Associate Librarian / Coordinator

Film & Video Collection, Morris Library

181 S. College Ave., Newark, DE 19717

University of Delaware

[phone]

https://library.udel.edu/filmandvideo

Post by Nora Poggi
Hi there, as filmmakers we talk a lot of about this and I would
suggest contacting the film director / film team directly to see if
they can put pressure on Netflix - explain what you want to do with
the film, they usually push on behalf of educators, the same way It
happened for 13th. I believe the Audrie & Daisy team also got the
right to show in screenings outside of Netflix. Filmmakers usually
don’t have a lot of leeway when negotiating those deals, but we are
talking about it.
Thanks for sharing your insights!
Nora
www.shestarteditfilm.com <http://www.shestarteditfilm.com>

Post by Jessica Rosner
there has been a LOT of discussion/press of Netflix not allowing
their films in THEATERS but virtually none that they  and Amazon ( in
many cases) don't allow their films in libraries or to be used in
classes, for research etc, except if every student somehow had a
membership. I am frustrated that this issue has received zero
attention both in the press and I think in the film community. Sadly
I can't see either of them allowing physical copies of their titles
but perhaps pressure for SOME streaming access. I am still very
concerned that streaming without either owning the  stream or
physical copies is basically turning libraries into academic Netflix
with no real collection or permanent access. Overall I think I am
getting too old for this. Last  night I was on a plane watching the
woman next to me watch a film on her phone. Luckily it was MAMA MIA
but jeez watching a film a screen smaller than your hand is really
depressing me.
On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM Sarah E. McCleskey
ARGGG this makes my blood pressure go up. I tried every way I
could think of to get a DVD copy of Strong Island (I mean, it is
a LOCAL story and uses lots of local sources).  No dice. Standard
response about the Netflix screening “license” which is in itself
so dang problematic.
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 28, 2018 10:15 AM
*Subject:* Re: [videolib] non-theatrical film screenings of
Netflix exclusives
EXTERNAL MESSAGE
Netflix never allows any non theatrical screenings of any of its
films. They have allowed limited screenings at festivals of some
films, I have never in fact heard of them allowing non theatrical
screenings of documentaries except for highly specialized cases
like '13" where the director pressured them.
There has been much discussion of ROMA specifically among indie
theaters and basically Netflix is only allowing shows on very
short notice to theaters and also wanting special equipment.
I would offer you the contact info  for the theatrical booker but
theaters have been adamant that they are blowing everyone off.
Here is one fun article that was posted.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/14/movies/netflix-ballad-of-buster-scruggs.html
<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2018%2F11%2F14%2Fmovies%2Fnetflix-ballad-of-buster-scruggs.html&data=02%7C01%7Csarah.e.mccleskey%40hofstra.edu%7C25998f694a514cc798e808d655443ebb%7Ce32fc43d7c6246d9b49fcd53ba8d9424%7C0%7C0%7C636790148935671624&sdata=dzM2w8V1RVeH6aqpK2oHgYb5MM5dApHFrLFEb2vw2QU%3D&reserved=0>
Hi all,
I'm organizing the international film series at University of
Richmond and we want to show the film Roma by Alfonso Cuarón
which is coming out soon. I read an article that said because
the film is distributed by Netflix it is getting a very
limited theatrical release. I'm not sure what this will
mean for non-theatrical screenings. As you are probably
familiar- Netflix does allow screenings of some
documentaries, but does not seem to have a policy for
narrative features. Does anyone have any direct contact info
for Netflix reps who handle these questions? I'm not looking
for a general phone number- I already tried that with no
success. So far I managed to find email contacts for people
who handle press inquiries for the film over at Netflix but
that's all. Thanks for any info you can provide.
best,
Molly Fair
Film Librarian
University of Richmond
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[Jenemann, Laura]

What Meghann said. Also, I don’t feel that the Netflix language on the “Educational Screenings of Documentaries” link captures the breadth of possibilities for experiencing moving images: as entertainment, as education, advertising, propaganda...many other things.

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From: Meghann Matwichuk <***@udel.edu>
Organization: University of Delaware
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Date: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 11:23 AM
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Subject: Re: [videolib] non-theatrical film screenings of Netflix exclusives


I'm glad to hear that there is more discussion of this issue among filmmakers. Many of these titles are created as passion projects with an advocacy bent -- I know most filmmakers' goals are to get their work in front of as many eyes as possible while recouping costs (and maybe even -- gasp! -- making a living).

Nora, I'll echo Laura's question -- do you have suggestions about how librarians can best advocate and communicate with filmmakers about library-specific needs? Media librarians are fortunate to have good relationships with many distributors, especially those of us who are able to attend the annual National Media Market meetings where we can discuss user needs and market pressures from both perspectives. I know distributors are facing many of the same challenges when it comes to attempting to provide access to high-value titles that are increasingly going the way of exclusive streaming access, bypassing library models completely. I feel like a wider conversation with filmmakers is the way to go, but it's difficult to know how best to do that other than individual contacts. [Nora provided some good suggestions as I was composing this, but I'll leave this paragraph in here in case others have additional thoughts / suggestions.]

Some of you might remember that we had a loosely organized conversation / conference call about this topic ~2 years ago. I unexpectedly lost my partner in that endeavor who had contacts at Netflix and other streaming services, and forward momentum stalled. There was also some 'be careful what you wish for' concerns about Netflix creating an aggregated institutional streaming model that might be too expensive for Libraries to work with -- a valid concern, I think, especially given the way streaming affordability seems to be coming to head in the last year or so. The 13th and Audrie & Daisy were the two titles at that time that spurred the discussion. In the meanwhile, Netflix created this list of titles which allow for educational screenings, but it's well-hidden and stupid difficult to use:

https://help.netflix.com/en/node/57695

It also fails to solve the problem of long-term access, or give libraries a way to pay for access on behalf of their users (an instructor needs to have their own subscription in order to make use of these Netflix-granted exceptions.)

My unit (the University of Delaware's Film & Video Collection) recently completed a survey of our users, and many suggested that the Library 'get a Netflix / Amazon Prime / Hulu subscription'. So an added wrinkle is -- how best do we communicate to our users the realities of a marketplace that does not allow for that and balance expectations? It's hard enough for the professionals to grasp the ins & outs as the landscape grows more complex over time. For instance, I'm seeing a lot of promotional material / articles in the last day or two about the addition of A24's titles to Kanopy that uses simplistic language about how the catalog is free via public libraries (A.V. Club, for example<https://news.avclub.com/a24s-film-library-is-available-on-a-streaming-service-y-1830679969>: "all you have to do is support your local library by signing up...") -- glossing over the considerable resources needed to provide that service.

Good conversation, all -- looking forward to reading more!

--

Meghann Matwichuk

she/her/hers

Associate Librarian / Coordinator

Film & Video Collection, Morris Library

181 S. College Ave., Newark, DE 19717

University of Delaware

[phone]
https://library.udel.edu/filmandvideo
***@udel.edu<mailto:***@udel.edu>

On 11/28/2018 10:49 AM, Nora Poggi wrote:
Hi there, as filmmakers we talk a lot of about this and I would suggest contacting the film director / film team directly to see if they can put pressure on Netflix - explain what you want to do with the film, they usually push on behalf of educators, the same way It happened for 13th. I believe the Audrie & Daisy team also got the right to show in screenings outside of Netflix. Filmmakers usually don’t have a lot of leeway when negotiating those deals, but we are talking about it.
Thanks for sharing your insights!

Nora
www.shestarteditfilm.com<http://www.shestarteditfilm.com>



On Nov 28, 2018, at 10:39 AM, Jessica Rosner <***@gmail.com<mailto:***@gmail.com>> wrote:
there has been a LOT of discussion/press of Netflix not allowing their films in THEATERS but virtually none that they and Amazon ( in many cases) don't allow their films in libraries or to be used in classes, for research etc, except if every student somehow had a membership. I am frustrated that this issue has received zero attention both in the press and I think in the film community. Sadly I can't see either of them allowing physical copies of their titles but perhaps pressure for SOME streaming access. I am still very concerned that streaming without either owning the stream or physical copies is basically turning libraries into academic Netflix with no real collection or permanent access. Overall I think I am getting too old for this. Last night I was on a plane watching the woman next to me watch a film on her phone. Luckily it was MAMA MIA but jeez watching a film a screen smaller than your hand is really depressing me.


On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM Sarah E. McCleskey <***@hofstra.edu<mailto:***@hofstra.edu>> wrote:
ARGGG this makes my blood pressure go up. I tried every way I could think of to get a DVD copy of Strong Island (I mean, it is a LOCAL story and uses lots of local sources). No dice. Standard response about the Netflix screening “license” which is in itself so dang problematic.

From: Jessica Rosner <***@gmail.com<mailto:***@gmail.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 10:15 AM
To: ***@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:***@lists.berkeley.edu>
Subject: Re: [videolib] non-theatrical film screenings of Netflix exclusives

EXTERNAL MESSAGE
Netflix never allows any non theatrical screenings of any of its films. They have allowed limited screenings at festivals of some films, I have never in fact heard of them allowing non theatrical screenings of documentaries except for highly specialized cases like '13" where the director pressured them.

There has been much discussion of ROMA specifically among indie theaters and basically Netflix is only allowing shows on very short notice to theaters and also wanting special equipment.

I would offer you the contact info for the theatrical booker but theaters have been adamant that they are blowing everyone off.

Here is one fun article that was posted. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/14/movies/netflix-ballad-of-buster-scruggs.html<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2018%2F11%2F14%2Fmovies%2Fnetflix-ballad-of-buster-scruggs.html&data=02%7C01%7Csarah.e.mccleskey%40hofstra.edu%7C25998f694a514cc798e808d655443ebb%7Ce32fc43d7c6246d9b49fcd53ba8d9424%7C0%7C0%7C636790148935671624&sdata=dzM2w8V1RVeH6aqpK2oHgYb5MM5dApHFrLFEb2vw2QU%3D&reserved=0>

On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 10:03 AM Fair, Molly <***@richmond.edu<mailto:***@richmond.edu>> wrote:

Hi all,

I'm organizing the international film series at University of Richmond and we want to show the film Roma by Alfonso Cuarón which is coming out soon. I read an article that said because the film is distributed by Netflix it is getting a very limited theatrical release. I'm not sure what this will mean for non-theatrical screenings. As you are probably familiar- Netflix does allow screenings of some documentaries, but does not seem to have a policy for narrative features. Does anyone have any direct contact info for Netflix reps who handle these questions? I'm not looking for a general phone number- I already tried that with no success. So far I managed to find email contacts for people who handle press inquiries for the film over at Netflix but that's all. Thanks for any info you can provide.

best,

Molly Fair

Film Librarian

University of Richmond
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