[Videolib] Is Huis Clos (1954) in public domain?

[Karsten, Eileen]

Does anyone know if the 1954 version of Huis Clos (No Exit) directed by Jacqueline Audry<http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0041642/?ref_=tt_ov_dr> is in public domain? A faculty member found it listed on a site with the disclaimer : Most of the films available on this site have fallen into the public domain and do not infringe on any intellectual property rights. Other films are under the copyright of their respective owners. Movies are sold on a collector to collector basis, no rights are given or implied. If you believe a film offered on this site infringes on an existing copyright, please contact us with proof of ownership and the title will be removed at once. They are selling it as a DVD-R with no artwork or case. I told her I believed it is a bootleg copy, but she wanted to know how I could be sure that it is not in public domain.

Thank you for any help you can provide.


Eileen Karsten
Head of Technical Services
Donnelley & Lee Library
Lake Forest College
555 N. Sheridan Road
Lake Forest, IL 60045
***@mx.lakeforest.edu<mailto:***@lakeforest.edu>
847-735-5066

[Jessica Rosner]

This is a pirate site trying to justify itself. There is no such thing as
"collector to collector" sales, it is a bootleg
As for this film specifically because of the GATT treaty basically nothing
made in France or other European countries as well as many others is PD
unless in the very,very rare instance it fell PD in its own country and as
France has the most stringent copyright laws in the world in my view ( A
TRIP TO THE MOON only became PD there about 7 years ago) it is virtually
impossible for this film to be PD.

Any site selling European films and claiming they are PD is lying as they
are lying about "collector to collector" sales.
Not like rights holders are going to be checking out pirate sites and
providing them with "proof of ownership" when they know full well they are
illegal.

There is a reason you can only find some "rare" films on sites like this
and it because they are not legal

Jessica

Post by Karsten, Eileen
Does anyone know if the 1954 version of Huis Clos (No Exit) directed by Jacqueline
Audry <http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0041642/?ref_=tt_ov_dr> is in public
domain? A faculty member found it listed on a site with the disclaimer : Most
of the films available on this site have fallen into the public domain and
do not infringe on any intellectual property rights. Other films are under
the copyright of their respective owners. Movies are sold on a collector to
collector basis, no rights are given or implied. If you believe a film
offered on this site infringes on an existing copyright, please contact us
with proof of ownership and the title will be removed at once. They are
selling it as a DVD-R with no artwork or case. I told her I believed it is
a bootleg copy, but she wanted to know how I could be sure that it is not
in public domain.
Thank you for any help you can provide.
Eileen Karsten
Head of Technical Services
Donnelley & Lee Library
Lake Forest College
555 N. Sheridan Road
Lake Forest, IL 60045
847-735-5066
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
producers and distributors.

[Jessica Rosner]

I should point out that the GATT treaty did not effect films made before
1923 so as in the US any film made through 1922 is PD but the specific
version ( copy) of the film my be under copyright thus CABINET OF DR.
CALIGARI is PD but not the Kino blu ray.

Post by Jessica Rosner
This is a pirate site trying to justify itself. There is no such thing as
"collector to collector" sales, it is a bootleg
As for this film specifically because of the GATT treaty basically nothing
made in France or other European countries as well as many others is PD
unless in the very,very rare instance it fell PD in its own country and as
France has the most stringent copyright laws in the world in my view ( A
TRIP TO THE MOON only became PD there about 7 years ago) it is virtually
impossible for this film to be PD.
Any site selling European films and claiming they are PD is lying as they
are lying about "collector to collector" sales.
Not like rights holders are going to be checking out pirate sites and
providing them with "proof of ownership" when they know full well they are
illegal.
There is a reason you can only find some "rare" films on sites like this
and it because they are not legal
Jessica
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Karsten, Eileen <

Post by Karsten, Eileen
Does anyone know if the 1954 version of Huis Clos (No Exit) directed by Jacqueline
Audry <http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0041642/?ref_=tt_ov_dr> is in public
domain? A faculty member found it listed on a site with the disclaimer : Most
of the films available on this site have fallen into the public domain and
do not infringe on any intellectual property rights. Other films are under
the copyright of their respective owners. Movies are sold on a collector to
collector basis, no rights are given or implied. If you believe a film
offered on this site infringes on an existing copyright, please contact us
with proof of ownership and the title will be removed at once. They are
selling it as a DVD-R with no artwork or case. I told her I believed it is
a bootleg copy, but she wanted to know how I could be sure that it is not
in public domain.
Thank you for any help you can provide.
Eileen Karsten
Head of Technical Services
Donnelley & Lee Library
Lake Forest College
555 N. Sheridan Road
Lake Forest, IL 60045
847-735-5066
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
producers and distributors.

--
Jessica Rosner
Media Consultant
224-545-3897 (cell)
212-627-1785 (land line)

[Gisele Genevieve Tanasse]

I am not a copyright lawyer, but I am French-educated.

For a French production you are dealing with the question of the rights of
the author (for motion pictures in France, typically at least whoever wrote
the screenplay). Laroche died in 1962-- and Sartre in 1980, so I would say
it is incredibly safe to say, not PD, but unfortunately very much OP in the
US.

I believe you can still get new legal Region 2 DVDs from France (it's
listed on fnac.fr).

Gisele


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Post by Karsten, Eileen
Does anyone know if the 1954 version of Huis Clos (No Exit) directed by Jacqueline
Audry <http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0041642/?ref_=tt_ov_dr> is in public
domain? A faculty member found it listed on a site with the disclaimer : Most
of the films available on this site have fallen into the public domain and
do not infringe on any intellectual property rights. Other films are under
the copyright of their respective owners. Movies are sold on a collector to
collector basis, no rights are given or implied. If you believe a film
offered on this site infringes on an existing copyright, please contact us
with proof of ownership and the title will be removed at once. They are
selling it as a DVD-R with no artwork or case. I told her I believed it is
a bootleg copy, but she wanted to know how I could be sure that it is not
in public domain.
Thank you for any help you can provide.
Eileen Karsten
Head of Technical Services
Donnelley & Lee Library
Lake Forest College
555 N. Sheridan Road
Lake Forest, IL 60045
847-735-5066
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
producers and distributors.